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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Triggermv, Oct 26, 2015.
What difference does it make?
Ugggggghhhhhhhhhhhh. A new Disney-Sony deal for future Spider-Man movies is apparently officially dead. Wow, such a big big big disappointment, especially with how he was set up through Spider-Man: Far From Home for future Avengers movies in the wider universe. Seems to me like greed on both sides won out in this case. Personally, I always thought Sony was on the better end of the deal with Marvel to some extent. However, at the same time, with Marvel wanting 50-50 moving forward, I consider that somewhat tipping the scales the other direction to unfairly favor Marvel. Such a shame. Lets just hope maybe this thing isn't completely over and is more of just a negotiating play by one or both of the sides. We see this kind of thing happen all the time with actor negotiations, with the perfect example being Michael Keaton as The Vulture. That deal was apparently dead until it wasn't.
50-50 is probably too much. However, Far From Home was Sony's biggest movie of all time. And let's be honest with ourselves, Marvel movies are basically the only sure thing at the box office right now. I'd love to see Watts and Holland come out and say they are going to be done unless they work it out in the MCU. Holland has been Spider-Man in 6 movies now, it's launched his career, and he's probably the best young star in the MCU. If it's just Sony's Spider-Verse, he's probably good for 2 more movies. If he can spin it in the MCU, he could be making bank as Spidey for much, much longer.
Which side leaked that the deal was dead? I have to think that this is just one of them trying to put some public pressure on the other to get a deal done. Too much money at stake for Marvel or Sony to just walk away.
The deal falling apart is a lose-lose situation. But I agree, Sony needs Marvel more than Marvel needs Sony.
Looks like the latest is that there are now mixed reports out there with some saying that negotiations are still ongoing. Like I stated above with the original article saying the deal was off, this wreaks of being an intentionally leaked negotiating play by one of the sides. Again, we see this happen with actor negotiations all the time as news leaks are used all the time as pawns in the negotiation game. Regardless, I really hope some type of deal can finally get done. Truthfully, I think the true "fair" deal should end somewhere in between the old deal and this 50-50 deal Disney is supposedly wanting right now.
One outside factor at play that while unlikely, is still very much out there is the fact that Sony Pictures has been rumored to be up for possible sale for a few years now. They have been struggling financially for a while now. This means there is a chance at any time that either Disney or somebody else could consider acquiring them. The reason why I consider it unlikely for Disney being the one comes from a combination of Sony not having enough attractive IP, as well as likely hitting regulator monopoly hurdles with yet ANOTHER big acquisition. I still think the wisest business choice for Sony would be to merge up with a streaming platform in desperate need of IP like Netflix. Sony's biggest IP right now is Spider-Man, Men In Black, Jumanji, The Karate Kid, Ghostbusters and their animated properties.
Here is Sony's recent statement on the matter according to Comicbook.com:
"Much of today’s news about Spider-Man has mischaracterized recent discussions about Kevin Feige’s involvement in the franchise," Sony shared in a statement to ComicBook.com. "We are disappointed, but respect Disney’s decision not to have him continue as a lead producer of our next live-action Spider-Man film. We hope this might change in the future, but understand that the many new responsibilities that Disney has given him – including all their newly added Marvel properties – do not allow time for him to work on IP they do not own."
It added, "Kevin is terrific and we are grateful for his help and guidance and appreciate the path he has helped put us on, which we will continue."
I haven't seen Far From Home so I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but it sounds like Spider-Man has been built up for a significant role going forward.
However, the lack of Spider-Man involvement in Phase 4 and no mention of him at Comic-Con seemed to hint that this was coming. I'm not really worried too much for the immediate future of the MCU as we still have 5 films to look forward to in the next 2 years, established franchises like Black Panther and GotG returning shortly after that and new titles like Blade, X-Men and Fantastic Four. That last property could be really interesting as Spider-Man has a recent history with FF in the comics. I personally think FF does not translate well to the big screen (the characters and superpowers make far more sense as an animated film or series) but the timing could be right for an older Tom Holland Spider-Man to join the MCU-iteration of FF. Box Office numbers would go crazy on opening weekend if this were to happen.
Sorry, I know this is a little off the subject, but has America gone overboard with super-hero mind-numbing bs, or am I off base here? I really didn't want to start a new thread on this, but I went through new tv programs and movies, and than stuff has gone off the charts. I just don't get it.
A little sure, but seeing as I largely love the genre, I am thankful. I am sure a time will come that I will say the same thing about the next generation of movie concepts provided they aren't all remakes.
I don't call them bs, but yeah, we're either pushing it to its limit or already have. The over-saturation combined with getting a conclusion with Endgame is going to finish this off pretty soon.
Sure, Marvel has Phase 4 sitting there, but they aren't an exciting group of movies, unless they reveal a really powerful hook to bring the crowd along.
I watch some of it too, but I largely enjoy the more historical stuff. As a kid I was attracted to it as the next kid, but it is losing my interest more and more.
It is such a pervasive theme in our country and culture, everywhere you look in the movies, on television, it makes me wonder if it is totally healthy or indicative of some of the other weird things that are going on.
I wouldn't read too much into it. Personally, the super hero movies were the defibrillator paddles for my movie-going experience. I'd hit children's movies with my daughter, but I rarely got excited about going to the theater unless it was a movie that really caught my eye. I enjoy the genre because it's purely entertaining and it takes my mind off my real world for a few hours.
I don't think it has anything to do with the current state of affairs. It's about money and striking while the iron is hot. There have been super heroes forever in comics, on tv and in the movies. It took awhile for studios to finally say, "We have a following and the potential for boatloads of money. Let's try doing this really well instead of having it be the campy versions that we're used to." Marvel's success is remarkable and commendable. I'm curious to see how they move forward without falling victim to over-saturation and super hero burnout.
They are probably wise to give the public a while to take a breath, but it's still a genre that has a sizable footprint and is remarkably good at reproducing a fan base from generation to generation.
Opposed to murder porn that so many people are obsessed with? "Cant wait to see the next serial killer movie" That genre is so popular which escapes me but to each their own.
Also another I despise is heist, or con movies. I don't get the fascination with that.
I love heists! It was my favorite thing about Ant-Man.
Edit: I think what I like seeing is a brilliant plan come together. There are hang ups, then they have to overcome them, etc. I like any movie like this, even like a thriller or something like that. A good example of what I'm talking about here is like "The Silence of the Lambs", or "The Talented Mr. Ripley", about crazy people escaping or getting away with stuff. If we really want to nerd out I'd add "Death Note", an anime series about a guy who finds a notebook that will kill anybody whose name he writes down in it.
I don't think it's any different than the Star Wars resurgence in the late 90s with the prequels and theatrical re-release of the original trilogy. Also there was the medieval/epic film craze largely inspired by Lord of the Rings and Gladiator (Troy, Kingdom of Heaven, King Arthur, etc). Superheroes are just the most recent cinematic fad and every studio owns (or “owned” in the case of Fox and Paramount) a few properties that were worth making films about. If anything, it shows the fickleness of the film industry: why try to come up with an original idea when there are properties that fans are already familiar with?
Dont forget about the Vampire/Warewolves craze. Still disappointed that outside of Interview with the Vampire, we never good a good Ann Rice movie while the craze was at a peak. Instead we got their abomination adaption of Queen of the Damned. Not sure I have ever been so disappointed watching a movie before but them making that movie out of the blue is equivalent of doing Avengers Infinity War with no lead up movies and a 1/100th of the budget.