Man on the Moon...?

Did we land a Man on the Moon July 20th 1969


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I have to admit, I'm part of the cover-up conspiracy. Every May I get my hush-money check from the government, usually about three or four weeks after I file my tax return...
 
I do find it fascinating in that picture that you still cannot see any stars at all, even wayy in the distance over by Earth... I'm not saying it proves or disproves anything, other than I think it's interesting.

I liken it to if you were to go from a really, really bright environment, then outside at midnight to look at stars. You wouldn't see any, until your eyes adjusted. Like your eyes, a camera's aperture has to adjust before it sees that faint light. The camera was adjusted to "see" the bright astronaut suits in the foreground, not the stars in the background.
 
I do find it fascinating in that picture that you still cannot see any stars at all, even wayy in the distance over by Earth... I'm not saying it proves or disproves anything, other than I think it's interesting.

You know what I think is interesting?

You never see Clark Kent and Superman at the same time. I'm not saying it proves or disproves anything, other than I think it's interesting.
 
Did anyone see the first twelve movies in that series?

Yep, they were pretty good, albert not as good as 13.

Apollos 1-6 dealt with the rise of NASA from humble beginnings in a barren desert to become a dark, brutal warlord that controlled the galaxy before eventual redemption by his son.

Apollos 7-9 were actually pretty good: Tom Hanks was tasked with destroying the One Ring in the fire of Mount Down. Along the way he was helped by Gandalf, Stephen Spielberg, and Ron Howard.

Apollos 10-12 were awesome. Matt Damon overcame his Streisand persona to kick some serious ***.
 
I have asked Buzz (2nd Man on the Moon, 1st to pee on the Moon). He taught some Aviation Classes at University of North Dakota when I owned the Bar. Buzz would come in once or twice a month, he says. "Yes we were on the Moon!"

Those astronauts love their alcohol. I met Neil Armstrong in a bar here in Seattle (he'd gained 70 lbs, shrunk a few inches and forgot most of his childhood in Wapokoneta, OH, but he knew "Mr. Gorsky" so I'm sure it was him).

I also met Leon Spinks in the same bar. (I could have sworn the guy I saw boxing was black, but you Apollo fans know how poor technology was back in those days).
 
Those astronauts love their alcohol. I met Neil Armstrong in a bar here in Seattle (he'd gained 70 lbs, shrunk a few inches and forgot most of his childhood in Wapokoneta, OH, but he knew "Mr. Gorsky" so I'm sure it was him).

I also met Leon Spinks in the same bar. (I could have sworn the guy I saw boxing was black, but you Apollo fans know how poor technology was back in those days).

Buzz Aldrin, Ph

Since 1972, Aldrin has written many books and articles including Return to Earth, an account of his Apollo experiences and his subsequent breakdown. He has taught aerospace engineering at the University of North Dakota, served as chairperson of the National Space Society, and has lectured throughout the world on his unique perspective of America's future in space.
 
Um, yeah, this is when they were practicing using their tools while in spacesuits. You didn't expect them to just get to the moon and wing it, did you?

After reading this thread, I have a feeling that is exactly what some people expect.
 
Could moon landings have been faked? Some still think so - CNN.com

11% on the board maybe, 5% worse than the national average of 6% apparently?

Also, if this happens what will you conclude?

n its information campaign against Apollo's "debunkers," NASA may have a potent ace up its sleeve, however. Its Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is now circling the moon with powerful cameras, snapping crisp pictures that could reveal Apollo 11's Eagle lander squatting on the moon's surface.
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Then again, conspiracy theorists may just say NASA doctored the photos.
"Will the LRO's incredibly high-resolution images of the lunar surface, including, eventually, the Apollo landing sites, finally quell the lunacy of the Moon Hoax believers? Obviously it won't," writes astronomer Phil Plait in his blog on Discover magazine's Web site. "These true believers don't live in an evidence-based world."
 
Could moon landings have been faked? Some still think so - CNN.com

11% on the board maybe, 5% better than the national average of 6% apparently?
Fixed it for you. We're a smart bunch.
Also, if this happens what will you conclude?

n its information campaign against Apollo's "debunkers," NASA may have a potent ace up its sleeve, however. Its Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is now circling the moon with powerful cameras, snapping crisp pictures that could reveal Apollo 11's Eagle lander squatting on the moon's surface.
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Then again, conspiracy theorists may just say NASA doctored the photos.
"Will the LRO's incredibly high-resolution images of the lunar surface, including, eventually, the Apollo landing sites, finally quell the lunacy of the Moon Hoax believers? Obviously it won't," writes astronomer Phil Plait in his blog on Discover magazine's Web site. "These true believers don't live in an evidence-based world."
NASA doctored the photos. The article says what we'll say, so why ask the question?:wink:
 
So what would prove a negative, flying you personally to the moon to let you discover the items yourself?? :)
 
So what would prove a negative, flying you personally to the moon to let you discover the items yourself?? :)
Probably. But since we've never even been close to the moon, that will never happen, so I don't have to worry about it.:wink:
 
The more you know:

A feather and a lead weight dropped from the same distance on the moon strike the surface at the same time.

cause knowledge is power!
 
Well I saw an autobiography about Jim Lovell where he went from 13 to an adult after getting his fortune told by a machine at a carnival.

That guy had a crazy life.

Somehow, he ended up back in World War II, saving this one kid whose brothers had all been killed. Around the same time, he managed a women's baseball team, too.

That guy gets around like that, and we just sit around our computers. We need to get busy living.
 
One of the women on my staff does not believe in bears. Seriously. Thinks the ones in zoos are fake, and that they don't exist in nature.

Point being, there will always be some people that hold very strange beliefs simply because they want to, and not because they make any legitimate sense.
 
If you are so sure we went to the moon in 1969, can you explain why no country has been there since? Surely there is something to learn from landing on the moon. Did we share these valuable secrets with other countries such as North Korea and the Soviet Union?

Did the Soviet Union, whose space program was markedly ahead of ours, just decide to give up their ambitions of going to the moon?

There is certainly all kinds of reasons we would have had for faking a moon landing, and this country during the Cold War, especially the CIA, was no stranger to using propaganda and lying to the American Public. I think that the fact that no country has been there since doesn't necessarily mean outright declaration of a moon faking, but definitely deserves an explanation.

As others have said, it's insanely expensive to go there, and there is little benefit, aside from bragging rights, in going there at the moment. Not to mention there just isn't that much public interest in it.

I'm fairly certain we did it, but far from 100% positive. The main thing that troubles me is if we could land a man on the moon 40 years ago why haven't we advanced much farther as the computer and technology have advanced. It seems like we've gone backwards from that point in our space program. I would think we would be traveling to the moon routinely by now and perhaps beyond considering how far technology has advanced in the last 40 years. Our current shuttle seems like a giant step backwards from a moonlanding.

It isn't a question of computers, as it is of sheer physics. All the computers in the world don't give you the required amount of thrust to push an object to the moon. It is a complex problem in a lot of ways, but in a lot of other ways, it's really quite simple. We simply don't have a rocket powerful enough to put anything on the moon at the moment.

If you've seen a Saturn V up "close", you'll realize how mammoth a rocket has to be in order to push something even as small as the Apollo modules to the moon. We don't have anything approaching that anywhere else on earth at the moment.


You don't see stars probably because the camera focused because there was so much light. It focused to the people and the flag rather than the dimmer stars and blackness in the background.

It's not a matter of focus, but of exposure. Exposure time is directly related to aperture and sensitivity of the film. To properly expose the very bright objects in the foreground, the shutter speed has to be pretty fast. This precludes the much weaker stars in the background from being properly exposed.

Deaths of key Apollo Personnel

In a television program about the hoax allegations, Fox Entertainment Group listed the deaths of ten astronauts and of two civilians related to the manned spaceflight program as having possibly been killed as part of a cover-up.


400,000 people worked, in one way or another, on the Apollo program. This was also the 1960s, and people died of accidents all the time, in particular test pilots who were pushing the envelopes of what man-made machines could do, often with little or no information about the problems they were trying to address. You'll notice that we haven't gone as far or as fast in the 40 years since the mid-60s as we did in the 20 years leading up to it.

Assuming all of the images and video are real, are there any pictures from those later missions of the same USA flag (either from other missions or rovers) ?


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The landing sites were pretty far apart - hundreds of miles at least, if not thousands. I know the moon is much smaller than the earth, but those are still vast distances to drive, even with a modern car, let alone a rickety, electric moon vehicle.

There isn't much point in exploring areas you've already been, and with the tremendous cost of sending people there in the first place, there really is a requirement to maximize your time on the moon.

Not to mention that, while this was technically rocket science, they were not nearly as accurate in terms of choosing a landing area than we like to think. They got "close" to where they wanted to go, but simply had to pick a spot. Even landing within rover distance to a previous mission would have been challenging at best. It was a much easier job to time the burns to leave moon orbit and earth orbit and then make mid-course corrections as necessary in order to keep things on track. This is one area where modern computers could probably help immensely, but at the time, it was a sacrifice they could make, since the point was to land there and come back. Not to land in a precise location and then come back.