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[jkclone]

Anybody who tries to riot after a student was seriously injured, and police are ready to prosecute off video evidence, is just another kind of stupid.

I think after hearing about the whole mess this morning, those students who were involved last night realize what they did was stupid.

The problem with this is the canceling of Veishea has little to nothing to do with what happens with parties.

The parties are either going to continue and we are going to see more riots or the parties will calm down and won't get out of hand. Either way canceling the regular events is going to do little to nothing to change that. It only has the possibility of making it worse.

 

[scyclonekid]

They want you to have responsible fun, back in my day when someone or some bodies was getting stupid you called them out and people stepped up. Now with stupid social media they record rather than grow a pair and call them out and help take control.

 

[LutherBlue]

A stupid few screw it up for everyone else, welcome to reality.

This. I have no sympathy. You put the university in that position, you lose your right to *****.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Okay, I misread your comments.

However, the thing is, the other students there, the ones NOT tearing down signs, are just as guilty, IMO. Not only did they fail to stop the criminal behavior, they egged it on by chanting, laughing, filming. David Irving was in possession of what was essentially stolen property. He might not have torn it down, but based on the smile on his face, he was enjoying the fact that it happened, as were other students around. I said ALL of the students involved should be held accountable. If that includes students who worked on VEISHEA displays or events, I hold them just as accountable as David Irving.

Like I said that type of behavior gets laps, maybe. From normal student, it probably goes unnoticed and absolutely nothing happens.

 

[jkclone]

According to my friends up here lawn drinking, cops have stopped by to remind them to be safe, smart and responsible. That they want them to have fun but last night can't happen again.


the Ames and Isu police have done a great job the past 24 hours

Personally I think they have done an alright but less than good job. From what I understand like usually when riots happen it started from the police trying to stop something. I understand that you want to stop something that is happening that is crappy, but I don't understand why we haven't learned that there really isn't anything you can do to stop these things once they start. You just have to wait them out.

Look at it this way. Would you rather have a crappy night and the people responsible are hopefully punished, or would you rather have a crappy night, vandalism, riot things, and hopefully the people responsible are punished.


Overall as stupid as people were and they should be held responsible the police also need to take their share of the blame. They never should have shut down the party. Although they did do a better job of handling the actual mob though.

 

[Tre4ISU]

You don't get what I'm saying. He's apparently okay with the workers being punished, but not the perpetrators. Life isn't always fair, but the punishment currently meted out solves nothing.

You don't get the whole thing. Life isn't fair. Get over it. I'm capable of driving 70 mph everywhere which would make me more efficient. I can't because some people aren't capable of driving that fast. Sucks for me. It's how the world works. Leath really has no choice here. What if another riot were to happen Friday night?

 

[tm3308]

So what exactly are you worried about? That your drinking will be curtailed. Pardon me if I'm less than sympathetic. I'm more sympathetic to the students I know whose club budget comes from food sales, and the international students that have been talking about their menus for Saturday for months, and the students who have built amazing displays to show off their majors.

Your point was that only the good people involved with VEISHEA were being punished, not the kind of people who created the problem in the first place. But that isn't true. I'm not sympathetic to those idiots, either. But they're losing what they want out of this week, too, so to say they aren't being punished is disingenuous.

I don't want to steal a baby's candy, and it's not like losing candy is really something worth feeling sorry for someone over. But that baby will still be pretty upset if I take its candy.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Personally I think they have done an alright but less than good job. From what I understand like usually when riots happen it started from the police trying to stop something. I understand that you want to stop something that is happening that is crappy, but I don't understand why we haven't learned that there really isn't anything you can do to stop these things once they start. You just have to wait them out.

Look at it this way. Would you rather have a crappy night and the people responsible are hopefully punished, or would you rather have a crappy night, vandalism, riot things, and hopefully the people responsible are punished.


Overall as stupid as people were and they should be held responsible the police also need to take their share of the blame. They never should have shut down the party. Although they did do a better job of handling the actual mob though.

Those damn police trying to stop stupid **** from happening. What a bunch of ********.

 

[Mr Janny]

Personally I think they have done an alright but less than good job. From what I understand like usually when riots happen it started from the police trying to stop something. I understand that you want to stop something that is happening that is crappy, but I don't understand why we haven't learned that there really isn't anything you can do to stop these things once they start. You just have to wait them out.

Look at it this way. Would you rather have a crappy night and the people responsible are hopefully punished, or would you rather have a crappy night, vandalism, riot things, and hopefully the people responsible are punished.


Overall as stupid as people were and they should be held responsible the police also need to take their share of the blame. They never should have shut down the party. Although they did do a better job of handling the actual mob though.

Except, the report that's going around is that the people who threw the party were the one's to call the police because it was getting out of hand. Should the police have ignored that?

 

[Wesley]

earliest confirmed reference is in an anti-narcotics pamphlet from the early 1980's.

Do not forget the anti Vietnam war riots of thousands during the daytime on campus in seventies...

 

[CycloneErik]

Your point was that only the good people involved with VEISHEA were being punished, not the kind of people who created the problem in the first place. But that isn't true. I'm not sympathetic to those idiots, either. But they're losing what they want out of this week, too, so to say they aren't being punished is disingenuous.

I don't want to steal a baby's candy, and it's not like losing candy is really something worth feeling sorry for someone over. But that baby will still be pretty upset if I take its candy.

If you don't want to steal the baby's candy, you'll never get it. Babies have a strong grip.

 

[Mr Janny]

Do not forget the anti Vietnam war riots of thousands during the daytime on campus in seventies...

what does that have to do with my post?

 

[ISUAgronomist]

If you don't want to steal the baby's candy, you'll never get it. Babies have a strong grip.

That's for sure.

 

[tm3308]

Except, the report that's going around is that the people who threw the party were the one's to call the police because it was getting out of hand. Should the police have ignored that?

Of course. Everybody's lives are better when the cops ignore calls for help.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

what does that have to do with my post?

Wesleybot don't care

 

[jkclone]

Except, the report that's going around is that the people who threw the party were the one's to call the police because it was getting out of hand. Should the police have ignored that?

Well those people still need to be responsible for what happened. Doesn't change the fact that there is history of when parties get shut down especially on this weekend the crowd moves to campus town and it compounds the issues. I don't know exactly what was done because I was asleep in my room, but riots are almost always a result of people reacting poorly to being told what to do.

You can try to get people to go home and maybe control it from getting worse, but my understanding is the police came in and said this is done and people need to leave. That will rarely work. It probably won't work when the people are sober, and is even less likely to work when they are drunk.

I don't like VEISHEA and honestly would be fine if it was canceled, but most of the actions that the school has taken today is 50% going to make it worse 40% going to do nothing and 10% going to make it better. The only thing it does is further remove the school from liability.

 

[tm3308]

Well those people still need to be responsible for what happened. Doesn't change the fact that there is history of when parties get shut down especially on this weekend the crowd moves to campus town and it compounds the issues. I don't know exactly what was done because I was asleep in my room, but riots are almost always a result of people reacting poorly to being told what to do.

You can try to get people to go home and maybe control it from getting worse, but my understanding is the police came in and said this is done and people need to leave. That will rarely work. It probably won't work when the people are sober, and is even less likely to work when they are drunk.

I don't like VEISHEA and honestly would be fine if it was canceled, but most of the actions that the school has taken today is 50% going to make it worse 40% going to do nothing and 10% going to make it better. The only thing it does is further remove the school from liability.

Sure, they're sparked by parties being broken up. But what else are the police supposed to do when the people who live in the house are calling and asking for help? And if you're one of say 5 people living in a house and the party is getting out of hand, how else are you going to clear it out during VEISHEA week? That seems like the prime time for the "guests" to tell the hosts to **** off, they're not going anywhere.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Your point was that only the good people involved with VEISHEA were being punished, not the kind of people who created the problem in the first place. But that isn't true. I'm not sympathetic to those idiots, either. But they're losing what they want out of this week, too, so to say they aren't being punished is disingenuous.

I don't want to steal a baby's candy, and it's not like losing candy is really something worth feeling sorry for someone over. But that baby will still be pretty upset if I take its candy.

And again, I'm not particularly sympathetic that some people won't get to go out and get ****-faced. That just really isn't very high on my radar. I AM angry that the students I know who put so much time and effort in on VEISHEA are losing all of their hard work for something that they had no part in, that was unsanctioned, and off campus.

I'm not one to sit back and say well, life just isn't fair. I tend to fight injustice when and where I can. Question is, why don't some of the rest of you?

 

[tm3308]

1.)And again, I'm not particularly sympathetic that some people won't get to go out and get ****-faced. That just really isn't very high on my radar. I AM angry that the students I know who put so much time and effort in on VEISHEA are losing all of their hard work for something that they had no part in, that was unsanctioned, and off campus.

2.)I'm not one to sit back and say well, life just isn't fair. I tend to fight injustice when and where I can. Question is, why don't some of the rest of you?

1.) No ******* ****. When's the last time anyone felt sorry for someone getting what they deserve? That's kind of the whole point behind punishing someone.

2.) Because whether you like it or not, life ain't always fair.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

And again, I'm not particularly sympathetic that some people won't get to go out and get ****-faced. That just really isn't very high on my radar. I AM angry that the students I know who put so much time and effort in on VEISHEA are losing all of their hard work for something that they had no part in, that was unsanctioned, and off campus.

I'm not one to sit back and say well, life just isn't fair. I tend to fight injustice when and where I can. Question is, why don't some of the rest of you?

Because some kids not getting Veishea is pretty low on the injustice list. Hopefully they still get their participation ribbons.