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[ImJustKCClone]

1.) No ******* ****. When's the last time anyone felt sorry for someone getting what they deserve? That's kind of the whole point behind punishing someone.

2.) Because whether you like it or not, life ain't always fair.

So whenever you are mistreated, you just roll over and say "hit me?" If a prof marks an answer wrong, and you believe it's right, you don't fight it? If your roommate welches on the rent and you have to pay it, you don't try to get your money back from him/her?

If something is wrong, speak out. Stand up for yourself. Stand up for others.

Nothing will change if people don't speak out.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Because some kids not getting Veishea is pretty low on the injustice list. Hopefully they still get their participation ribbons.

How much work have you put in on a display...a performance...a culinary experience?

 

[swarthmoreCY]

How much work have you put in on a display...a performance...a culinary experience?

Enough that I know no one cares about how much work I put into it. Maybe they can all get together and organize a protest or something.

 

[Clonehomer]

Well those people still need to be responsible for what happened. Doesn't change the fact that there is history of when parties get shut down especially on this weekend the crowd moves to campus town and it compounds the issues. I don't know exactly what was done because I was asleep in my room, but riots are almost always a result of people reacting poorly to being told what to do.

You can try to get people to go home and maybe control it from getting worse, but my understanding is the police came in and said this is done and people need to leave. That will rarely work. It probably won't work when the people are sober, and is even less likely to work when they are drunk.

I don't like VEISHEA and honestly would be fine if it was canceled, but most of the actions that the school has taken today is 50% going to make it worse 40% going to do nothing and 10% going to make it better. The only thing it does is further remove the school from liability.

Are you really suggesting that the problem lies in the police that broke up the party? If they had just let it go this wouldn't have escalated Newsflash, those people were breaking the law. A little personal responsibility goes a long way.

If the responsible students that are missing out want justice, then they should go tell Leath to come down hard on the students identified.

 

[tm3308]

So whenever you are mistreated, you just roll over and say "hit me?" If a prof marks an answer wrong, and you believe it's right, you don't fight it? If your roommate welches on the rent and you have to pay it, you don't try to get your money back from him/her?

If something is wrong, speak out. Stand up for yourself. Stand up for others.

Nothing will change if people don't speak out.

The way I see it, you can overcome obstacles or you can whine about them.

 

[jkclone]

Are you really suggesting that the problem lies in the police that broke up the party? If they had just let it go this wouldn't have escalated Newsflash, those people were breaking the law. A little personal responsibility goes a long way.

If the responsible students that are missing out want justice, then they should go tell Leath to come down hard on the students identified.

It's like i said earlier, which of the ****** outcomes do you want. Do you want a party in one place where the people being affected are mostly responsible for it getting out of hand, or do you want to start a riot in a completely different place that can get way out of control.

They need to suffocate the party by encouraging people to go home and not letting new people come. Lesser of two evils. One punishes people who are responsible and the other punishes mostly innocent people.

Sure, they're sparked by parties being broken up. But what else are the police supposed to do when the people who live in the house are calling and asking for help? And if you're one of say 5 people living in a house and the party is getting out of hand, how else are you going to clear it out during VEISHEA week? That seems like the prime time for the "guests" to tell the hosts to **** off, they're not going anywhere.

I feel bad for them but that is a consequence of throwing the party during VEISHEA. Like above it sucks and is really illegal but it is far less damaging than the alternative.

 

[Cycsk]

When was the last time a car was tipped over, a light pole torn down, and a rash of beer bottles thrown around at a FB tailgate?

We've never had this happen at a tailgate, but when someone crosses a line, we stop them.

 

[tm3308]

It's like i said earlier, which of the ****** outcomes do you want. Do you want a party in one place where the people being affected are mostly responsible for it getting out of hand, or do you want to start a riot in a completely different place that can get way out of control.

They need to suffocate the party by encouraging people to go home and not letting new people come. Lesser of two evils. One punishes people who are responsible and the other punishes mostly innocent people.

I feel bad for them but that is a consequence of throwing the party during VEISHEA. Like above it sucks and is really illegal but it is far less damaging than the alternative.

I'm sorry, but I don't much care for the idea of having police tell someone they're SOL because they would rather keep it contained on that person's private property.

 

[Mr Janny]

So whenever you are mistreated, you just roll over and say "hit me?" If a prof marks an answer wrong, and you believe it's right, you don't fight it? If your roommate welches on the rent and you have to pay it, you don't try to get your money back from him/her?

If something is wrong, speak out. Stand up for yourself. Stand up for others.

Nothing will change if people don't speak out.

That's a little dramatic. So some poor little snowflake doesn't get to show off their project. BFD. If a few wasted hours of work is the worst thing that happens to them in their college careers, they should consider themselves lucky.

Cancelling VEISHEA is like cancelling the annual county fair. Yeah, it can be fun, but it's not like it's a life changing event.

 

[Cycsk]

1 major party on Hunt got funneled to Welch where there were other people

So, should we just nail the doors shut on the Hunt Ave. houses? Seriously, is there something about the parties at these houses that are riot-friendly?

 

[Cycsk]

Bottom line...the students need to take ownership of the actions last night. Drink less, step up more. Tell people to stop destroying property. Walk away - don't cheer them on. Don't record them on cell phones and post "funny funny ha ha" videos of the destruction on-line.

This is not going to stop by any university banning. The only way for it to stop is for the students themselves to stop it. Police yourselves. Instead of drinking yourself into a stupor for "fun", try some moderation. Your community and your liver will thank you for it.

Why don't some of you try to stop the idiots? Does anyone think it is ever okay to tip over cars or break down light poles? Would you try to stop them if it was your car? Or if the pole was going to land on your car? If no one tries to stop the idiots (while standing there cheering or just encouraging by watching), then it will have to be addressed by police and university administrators. Take care of "your" Campustown.

 

[FarminCy]

That's a little dramatic. So some poor little snowflake doesn't get to show off their project. BFD. If a few wasted hours of work is the worst thing that happens to them in their college careers, they should consider themselves lucky.

Cancelling VEISHEA is like cancelling the annual county fair. Yeah, it can be fun, but it's not like it's a life changing event.

i agree with what your saying but not sure county fair is a good example. If a county fair were cancelled and kids were not allowed to sell livestock at the fair sale (since animals generally sell well above market value) it could put some families in financial issues. 9 years of 4H animal money and football scholarship allowed me to graduate student loan free.

I know my comment added nothing to this thread. Carry on.

 

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[jkclone]

I'm sorry, but I don't much care for the idea of having police tell someone they're SOL because they would rather keep it contained on that person's private property.

It is really the best solution though. The one common thing when it comes to riots generally is the police do something to try and control something and it backfires on them. While the rioters are responsible the police need to take their share of the blame as well.

Riots are bad choices by everyone involved.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

That's a little dramatic. So some poor little snowflake doesn't get to show off their project. BFD. If a few wasted hours of work is the worst thing that happens to them in their college careers, they should consider themselves lucky.

Cancelling VEISHEA is like cancelling the annual county fair. Yeah, it can be fun, but it's not like it's a life changing event.

SAme question to you: How much work have you put in on a display...a performance...a culinary experience?

Poor little snowflake myazz. You're calling them snowflakes because they "don't get participation ribbons" or something like that? That's a pretty crappy attitude.

 

[tm3308]

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i agree with what your saying but not sure county fair is a good example. If a county fair were cancelled and kids were not allowed to sell livestock at the fair sale (since animals generally sell well above market value) it could put some families in financial issues. 9 years of 4H animal money and football scholarship allowed me to graduate student loan free.

I know my comment added nothing to this thread. Carry on.

That's only true for the kids showing livestock, though. The analogy fits well for the things that go into the exhibit buildings (speaking as a former 4-H kid who didn't show livestock).

 

[Mr Janny]

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i agree with what your saying but not sure county fair is a good example. If a county fair were cancelled and kids were not allowed to sell livestock at the fair sale (since animals generally sell well above market value) it could put some families in financial issues. 9 years of 4H animal money and football scholarship allowed me to graduate student loan free.

I know my comment added nothing to this thread. Carry on.

You're right, I didn't take fair sales into account. So, cancelling a county fair is actually a bigger deal than cancelling VEISHEA, at least as far as per capita impact goes.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

SAme question to you: How much work have you put in on a display...a performance...a culinary experience?

Poor little snowflake myazz. You're calling them snowflakes because they "don't get participation ribbons" or something like that? That's a pretty crappy attitude.

Not to be harsh, but if they have the attitude you have about it, this will be a good life lesson about how little people care.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Enough that I know no one cares about how much work I put into it. Maybe they can all get together and organize a protest or something.

I don't believe you. I have spent plenty of time helping with some of these things. Some of the items sold finance trips to national meetings. Some projects count toward a group project grade or extra credit in a class. You may have not seen any recognition, but I know plenty of students who care about what their efforts produce.

 

[tm3308]

SAme question to you: How much work have you put in on a display...a performance...a culinary experience?

Poor little snowflake myazz. You're calling them snowflakes because they "don't get participation ribbons" or something like that? That's a pretty crappy attitude.

Well? It's not like students are being told that, since they didn't put on a performance/display/what have you at VEISHEA, they can't graduate this year. This isn't a life-altering event. Does it suck? Sure. But lots of things in life suck from time to time. Learn to deal with it and move forward.