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Re: How bad is Lanning?

CloneIce said:
Lanning looked much more accurate than SR against Texas Tech, and his arm looked stronger. Made a great throw on a corner route that SR rarely makes. He also hit the WRs in stride on slants and screens, like any D1 QB should.
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This. I thought Joel looked very good when he took over in the 4th. One of the wide receivers dropped a perfect pass late in the game as well.
 
Trey Scott hasn't been here in over a year...that's first. Second, maybe last year as a RS frosh Lanning wasn't ready mentally and that is understandable as he's never seen the field and prob didn't get many snaps in practice with the 1's or 2's. This year though he's a RS and has seen MM offense for two years now. He knows the playbook. I watched a practice and I came away wondering if Sam was going to be the starter honestly. Lanning looked that good. Albeit it was one practice he made some throws that SR simply can't make. It's not unusual to have a QB that hasn't played at all in a game to struggle making audibles correctly. Heck NFL QBs half the time make the wrong read.

What we do know is Lanning is a much better runner and runs the qb option read far better. Kstate had a 5th string essentially WR playing QB vs tcu. He was awful throwing the ball and kstate nearly won. You have to have experience and lots of it to be able to effectively audible and read coverages. It's not easy. Start Lanning and run a wildcat style offense with Warren and let him throw the ball occasionally. He's got all the physical tools.
 
Quite frankly, this coaching staff has turned Sam into, well, this coaching staff.

"_______'s a really nice guy. I really want ________ to succeed here at Iowa State, but there's no way to look past the fact that _______ had more success when they first got here, and they seem to have gotten much, much worse over the years."
 
Tre4ISU said:
I'm one of the biggest defenders of Sam out there but there are just way too many things he's not doing well. He's inaccurate in the screen game which cost us about 50 yards Saturday and now he's making every throw really difficult to catch. If I'm a team on our schedule, and I watched Lanning, I want ISU to start SR. I don't want to deal with the guy who make throws from one has to the opposite side of the field and put them on the money. Some of those throws were pretty impressive. At this point, I don't care if you're limited in terms of playbook. Keep using motion and option football to keep people honest and take some shots here and there. Lanning adds to your running game, which, if you win games will be the cause, and I just don't think our passing game is important right now with Sam in. It's not like he's making these quick, clean read and tough throws because of his mental state.
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Put in Lanning, run the crap out of him and Warren. Control the clock and play ball control offense like Kansas State and we would be a bowl team.
 
Beyerball said:
Trey Scott hasn't been here in over a year...that's first. Second, maybe last year as a RS frosh Lanning wasn't ready mentally and that is understandable as he's never seen the field and prob didn't get many snaps in practice with the 1's or 2's. This year though he's a RS and has seen MM offense for two years now. He knows the playbook. I watched a practice and I came away wondering if Sam was going to be the starter honestly. Lanning looked that good. Albeit it was one practice he made some throws that SR simply can't make. It's not unusual to have a QB that hasn't played at all in a game to struggle making audibles correctly. Heck NFL QBs half the time make the wrong read.

What we do know is Lanning is a much better runner and runs the qb option read far better. Kstate had a 5th string essentially WR playing QB vs tcu. He was awful throwing the ball and kstate nearly won. You have to have experience and lots of it to be able to effectively audible and read coverages. It's not easy. Start Lanning and run a wildcat style offense with Warren and let him throw the ball occasionally. He's got all the physical tools.
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Trey is currently running the Cyclones 24/7 site so yeah, he's back in and around Cyclone athletics.

This whole Lanning thing comes down to this for me....we just need to punt on the season. Get Lanning or Rohach in and try to get something started for next year. Simple as that.
 
mustangcy said:
Trey is currently running the Cyclones 24/7 site so yeah, he's back in and around Cyclone athletics.

This whole Lanning thing comes down to this for me....we just need to punt on the season. Get Lanning or Rohach in and try to get something started for next year. Simple as that.
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I'm at the point that I kind of consider sticking with Richardson to be punting on the season. I'm not sure who we can beat with him in there.

I've always liked Richardson, but I'm now pretty certain that it's not a coincidence that the worst years under Rhoads occurred with SR as our starting QB. He may be the best we have, but I think you need to find out if that is the case on Saturdays, or just in practice.
 
cuphues said:
Put in Lanning, run the crap out of him and Warren. Control the clock and play ball control offense like Kansas State and we would be a bowl team.
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OMG, TCU, number 2 in the nation, might not score 60 if we did that.
 
Tre4ISU said:
I'm one of the biggest defenders of Sam out there but there are just way too many things he's not doing well. He's inaccurate in the screen game which cost us about 50 yards Saturday and now he's making every throw really difficult to catch. If I'm a team on our schedule, and I watched Lanning, I want ISU to start SR. I don't want to deal with the guy who make throws from one has to the opposite side of the field and put them on the money. Some of those throws were pretty impressive. At this point, I don't care if you're limited in terms of playbook. Keep using motion and option football to keep people honest and take some shots here and there. Lanning adds to your running game, which, if you win games will be the cause, and I just don't think our passing game is important right now with Sam in. It's not like he's making these quick, clean read and tough throws because of his mental state.
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It's always a pass he's struggled with. People question why Baylor, TCU, etc can run successful screen plays and we can't. Well it's b/c their QB's are accurate with the ball. They get the ball out in front of the WR allowing him to have momentum going up the field.

On Saturday Sam threw a pass to Wesley (believe it was him) that was set up perfect. It would have gone for 10-15 yards, maybe more. But he threw it behind him and Wesley ended up getting just 2 yards. That was a 2nd down play, and we didn't pick up the 3rd and 3.
 
Re: How bad is Lanning?

Wesley said:
First you have to be accurate with your throws and not throw flutter balls.
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This speaks directly to SR's Lack of Arm Strength.......Did U see Mahomes chuck that ball around like the 2nd coming of Brett Farve? Plenty of arm strength in that guys arm.....

I say play either Rohach or Lanning or rotate them, because Sam just doesn't have the arm strength to complete throws esp when the ball flutters like a wounded quail......
 
Beyerball said:
Trey Scott hasn't been here in over a year...that's first. Second, maybe last year as a RS frosh Lanning wasn't ready mentally and that is understandable as he's never seen the field and prob didn't get many snaps in practice with the 1's or 2's. This year though he's a RS and has seen MM offense for two years now. He knows the playbook. I watched a practice and I came away wondering if Sam was going to be the starter honestly. Lanning looked that good. Albeit it was one practice he made some throws that SR simply can't make. It's not unusual to have a QB that hasn't played at all in a game to struggle making audibles correctly. Heck NFL QBs half the time make the wrong read.

What we do know is Lanning is a much better runner and runs the qb option read far better. Kstate had a 5th string essentially WR playing QB vs tcu. He was awful throwing the ball and kstate nearly won. You have to have experience and lots of it to be able to effectively audible and read coverages. It's not easy. Start Lanning and run a wildcat style offense with Warren and let him throw the ball occasionally. He's got all the physical tools.
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That was my biggest point in talking to the person on twitter. His rebuttal. Well he has a phone and he has sources that probably clue him in.

Trust me. I laughed at that right away too, but apparently he still runs the 247 Cyclone site??
 
mustangcy said:
Trey is currently running the Cyclones 24/7 site so yeah, he's back in and around Cyclone athletics.

This whole Lanning thing comes down to this for me....we just need to punt on the season. Get Lanning or Rohach in and try to get something started for next year. Simple as that.
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Get Mike his rushing yards.
 
AdamJGray said:
It's always a pass he's struggled with. People question why Baylor, TCU, etc can run successful screen plays and we can't. Well it's b/c their QB's are accurate with the ball. They get the ball out in front of the WR allowing him to have momentum going up the field.

On Saturday Sam threw a pass to Wesley (believe it was him) that was set up perfect. It would have gone for 10-15 yards, maybe more. But he threw it behind him and Wesley ended up getting just 2 yards. That was a 2nd down play, and we didn't pick up the 3rd and 3.
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Sam had that problem often on Saturday. I can recall a few of his throws on plays that were set up perfectly for big yardage, but he hits the receivers square instead of leading them. Hitting someone on the run vs. making them stop/slow down to get it could mean the difference between a 12 yard gain and 40+ yard touchdown.
 
Re: How bad is Lanning?

Wesley said:
Beucker anyone? Whar is he now days when we need him?
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AdamJGray said:
It's always a pass he's struggled with. People question why Baylor, TCU, etc can run successful screen plays and we can't. Well it's b/c their QB's are accurate with the ball. They get the ball out in front of the WR allowing him to have momentum going up the field.

On Saturday Sam threw a pass to Wesley (believe it was him) that was set up perfect. It would have gone for 10-15 yards, maybe more. But he threw it behind him and Wesley ended up getting just 2 yards. That was a 2nd down play, and we didn't pick up the 3rd and 3.
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That one was glaring.
 
AdamJGray said:
It's always a pass he's struggled with. People question why Baylor, TCU, etc can run successful screen plays and we can't. Well it's b/c their QB's are accurate with the ball. They get the ball out in front of the WR allowing him to have momentum going up the field.

On Saturday Sam threw a pass to Wesley (believe it was him) that was set up perfect. It would have gone for 10-15 yards, maybe more. But he threw it behind him and Wesley ended up getting just 2 yards. That was a 2nd down play, and we didn't pick up the 3rd and 3.
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And why did we not pick up the 3rd and 3? Richardson had an easy slant pass to I believe Montgomery for a first down... and he wasn't even close to connecting. Both of those pass plays were good calls, with open WRs, set up well for a nice play... and our QB couldn't make the simple throw. QB play is THE problem with our offense right now, the one thing holding us back from being a strong offensive team.
 
CloneIce said:
And why did we not pick up the 3rd and 3? Richardson had an easy slant pass to I believe Montgomery for a first down... and he wasn't even close to connecting. Both of those pass plays were good calls, with open WRs, set up well for a nice play... and our QB couldn't make the simple throw. QB play is THE problem with our offense right now, the one thing holding us back from being a strong offensive team.
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Pretty much every pass was off target one way or another, even on the completions.
 
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