Lanning

Leave Rhoads out of that. Rhoads simply does the best with what he had to work with this year. Both qbs and a craphole OC gave him no hope. It starts with recruiting and if it doesnt change soon we'll be left continued mediocracy.

Have you listened to Rhoads' comments throughout the season? He has been happy to throw Richardson under the bus and has made it clear that the QB position and gameplanning is being handled the way he wants it to. I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Rhoads because of that. Which is why I think it is important for Rhoads to not only hire a new offensive staff, he needs to give the new OC the keys to the offense and then stay completely away.
 
Until we show we are a legitimate downfield threat then teams will pack the box and blitz. We don't make them pay.

We do try to air it out every once in a while but Rohach tends to totally overthrow the reciever and then we don't try it again for the rest of the game. Though who knows how much of that is Rohach not being able to put his throws on target and how much of that is Rohach being terrified of our coaches that he might throw a pick so intentionally putting it where it can't be intercepted.
 
SR is a good QB but they have gotten him beat up by running him so freakin much and bc the line play is so bad. Rhoads does not know what he is doing with the QBs. I've never seen a head coach switch QBs as often as he does. He has QB A.D.D
 
SR is a good QB but they have gotten him beat up by running him so freakin much and bc the line play is so bad. Rhoads does not know what he is doing with the QBs. I've never seen a head coach switch QBs as often as he does. He has QB A.D.D

This is one thing that really scares me about Rhoads. When it comes to the QB position, he acts like a fan would. "Offense is struggling, must be the QB, put the next guy in!" Even if it's just the injuries, when are you going to get it through your thick skull that we can't protect a QB? A hurt QB seems to be the norm under this Staff. Wasn't Arnaud generally beat up during Rhoads' tenure?

There has to come a point where you look and go, "Wow, what we are doing isn't working. It's not one guy's fault and it's not one guy who's going to correct this mess. We need to rethink what we are doing." But yet every week they go out and do the same thing. Very disappointing.
 
SR is a good QB but they have gotten him beat up by running him so freakin much and bc the line play is so bad. Rhoads does not know what he is doing with the QBs. I've never seen a head coach switch QBs as often as he does. He has QB A.D.D

Steve Spurier used to rotate QB's on each play. He would send one in with the play and then send the other kid back in for the next play.

I think he also using two QB's that got drafted............so maybe a little more talent.

I will agree the past 2 months CPR and his staff looked lost with the decisions they have made. It has been very hard to watch. Lucky basketball is off to a good start.
 
Some days our fan base is starting to remind me of the old Iowa joke.

Q. Who is the best football player in the state?

A. The back up QB at the University of Iowa.

Personally, I'll trust the opinion of a Big XII coaching staff.
 
Some days our fan base is starting to remind me of the old Iowa joke.

Q. Who is the best football player in the state?

A. The back up QB at the University of Iowa.

Personally, I'll trust the opinion of a Big XII coaching staff.


When a coaching staff's record is this bad I think their decisions are certainly debatable--to the point where it arguable this isn't a Big XII coaching staff.

One of the issues people don't bring up much is QB recruiting. Why do we sign QBs with very little D1 interest and expect greatness? Richardson had no other offers. Rohach had one other over...from Western Michigan. Lanning had an offer from NE but it generally wasn't to play QB. And that's it.
 
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When a coaching staff's record is this bad I think their decisions are certainly debatable--to the point where it arguable this isn't a Big XII coaching staff.

One of the issues people don't bring up much is QB recruiting. Why do we sign QBs with very little D1 interest and expect greatness? Richardson had no other offers. Rohach had one other over...from Western Michigan.

Because they are that "diamond in the rough" player...
 
SR is a good QB but they have gotten him beat up by running him so freakin much and bc the line play is so bad. Rhoads does not know what he is doing with the QBs. I've never seen a head coach switch QBs as often as he does. He has QB A.D.D
Yup, its become noticeable how the NFL/college coaches have started to shy away from running the quarterback. Its just too dangerous with the most important part of a team.
 
Its a combination if coaching and not getting crap for recruits at the quarterback position. Lets be honest here, none of three would start at aby other big 12 schools including Kansas. I realize we are not making any monster lands anytime soon but theres guys like Jake Wauters at Kstate all over the country. We just somehow manage to continually get guys that amount to nothing. Personally with Lazard coming in I am hopeful we'll get some no name recruit that comes in a straight gunslinger.
Always enjoy threads where people come in and dump all over our coaches and players.
 
We need serious help on the Offensive side of the ball in the Coaching and play calling department. No one is going to take snaps and succeed in the current situation. Whatever Paul's reasons are for believing so strongly in Mess they are not base din reality or production. or we just have very low expectations for our Offense.
 
Some days our fan base is starting to remind me of the old Iowa joke.

Q. Who is the best football player in the state?

A. The back up QB at the University of Iowa.

Personally, I'll trust the opinion of a Big XII coaching staff.

Seems our staff thinks this exact way though. I don't disagree this mentality is a complete joke, but when your staff starts doing things that resemble how a fan would react, I get a little distrusting of their opinions.

There is no doubt in my mind if we had even close to a serviceable 3rd string guy, we'd probably have seen him this year as well.

And to erikbj: Spurrier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Messingham
 
Rhoads HAS to hire an OC from elsewhere and not promote from within. The new OC has to get control of the offense and be able to tell Rhoads to stay back. If he doesn't like it then just try stopping "my offense". Sturdy and coach K may be capable but I don't think they would be able to keep Rhoads away so to speak.
 
At some point in the future, it will be interesting to learn the inside stories of what has been going on with our QBs.
 
I don't know why we ever went away from recruiting the big offensive lineman. The year (2009 I think) we averaged the heaviest line weight wise and that was a very solid line. We are now trying to recruit more athletic lineman, but we don't run a hurry up offense anyways so it's not really necessary.
 
I don't know why we ever went away from recruiting the big offensive lineman. The year (2009 I think) we averaged the heaviest line weight wise and that was a very solid line. We are now trying to recruit more athletic lineman, but we don't run a hurry up offense anyways so it's not really necessary.

It's somewhat common in the spread to have smaller, quicker lineman. I'd say now it's safe to say it was a mistake to stop recruiting big guys.
 
I'm just trying to read the tea leaves here, but I get the impression that Lanning will have the inside track next spring. CPR's statement following the OU game that there would be a four man QB competition seemed to me like an indictment of Rohach and Richardson and a way to position them as the scapegoat for the offensive woes this year.

I don't think CPR is so ignorant to think that ISU fans are, well, so ignorant. Of course most of us are smart enough to know that you cannot pin this season on Sam Richardson- CPR knows this. I take the statement at face value. The competition next Spring will be good for development, as will the snaps this year that both are receiving. I am still a believer in Richardson despite some of the mistakes he has made in this train-wreck year. It seems to me that SR has shown clear signs of being better than Barnett, Tiller, Janz, and Arnaud. Now we just need depth at on the O-Line
 
Of course he has a shot. That isn't saying much though.

Anyone listed on the roster as a QB has a good shot. In fact if we continue how we are going I'd bet all three start a game next year and probably all three play on one game.

Please let that not be the case, but without changes I'd expect it.

That said I think with the right system/plan Sam will be just fine.
 
Always enjoy threads where people come in and dump all over our coaches and players.

Its reality bud. Its nothing personal whatsoever. We have a team full of mediocre recruits and the coaching staffs stu k doing what they can with who they have. What do you want me to be positive? I lost one game my senior year, do you think my coach came in at halftime of that gsme said, well boys we havent lost yet so this one was bound to happen and just let it go? Hell no thats not what happened. When Rhoads starting holding others accountable including himself, things will turn around. Until then we are stuck with the same crap ww've been dealing with all year.

You can powder coat as many turds as you want but in the end their still a bunch of turds.
 

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