NFL: Kansas City Chiefs Thread

[deadeyededric]

So more garbage diving in the future. Draft and hope

Show me all these Super Bowl champions with high priced 1st round pick RB's. Show me! You can't because winning teams don't follow that blueprint. This isn't 1985. Where were those RB's in the playoffs? Their teams didn't make it. Aren't you drafting and hoping Love is something? The guy hasn't played a down in the NFL. The Eagles didn't even draft him. How many playoff games and Super Bowls did the Chiefs win when Larry Johnson was there? They can bring in a guy that is proven like Rico Dowdle and use their first pick to get a pass rusher.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Show me all these Super Bowl champions with high priced 1st round pick RB's. Show me! You can't because winning teams don't follow that blueprint. This isn't 1985. Where were those RB's in the playoffs? Their teams didn't make it. Aren't you drafting and hoping Love is something? The guy hasn't played a down in the NFL. The Eagles didn't even draft him. How many playoff games and Super Bowls did the Chiefs win when Larry Johnson was there?

Generally SB caliber teams are not drafting high in draft, I showed you the Eagles last year, and then you change the field and now it's a high draft pick that they chose. Look at the playoff teams last season, every single one has a better backfield than KC, everyone. We have gotten by for 9 years of below average running back play, with Kelsey in his prime, no longer the case. You want Bain, he has more question marks than Love by everyone that rates the players. Love is a sure thing if KC takes him with the line they will have returning. Bain is not, one of the shortest arms ever measured at his position. Sorry I don't remember Mahomes being the QB when Johnson was playing for the Chiefs. Must have missed those years.

 

[3TrueFans]

"Love is a sure thing" lol ok bud, also who is Kelsey?

 

[deadeyededric]

Generally SB caliber teams are not drafting high in draft, I showed you the Eagles last year, and then you change the field and now it's a high draft pick that they chose. Look at the playoff teams last season, every single one has a better backfield than KC, everyone. We have gotten by for 9 years of below average running back play, with Kelsey in his prime, no longer the case. You want Bain, he has more question marks than Love by everyone that rates the players. Love is a sure thing if KC takes him with the line they will have returning. Bain is not, one of the shortest arms ever measured at his position. Sorry I don't remember Mahomes being the QB when Johnson was playing for the Chiefs. Must have missed those years.

How is Love a sure thing? Super Bowl caliber teams have the ability to bring in expensive RBs in free agency. Where are they on Super Bowl winning rosters over the last 20 years? They aren't there for the most part. You just need production. You don't need an all-world back.

 

[RagingCloner]

"Love is a sure thing" lol ok bud, also who is Kelsey?

Sounds like a bad pickup line

 

[deadeyededric]

Sounds like a bad pickup line

Or an 80s song by someone like Eddie Money

 

[1SEIACLONE]

How is Love a sure thing?

Highest rating for a RB in years, we have people comparing him to Barkley, he is much more a sure thing than Bain. Every draft has Love as at least the top 3 players on the board, none, zero have Bain. If he stays healthy, Love will be one of the best backs in the league within a year or two. He checks every box, is what every draft person is saying.
KC needs a dynamic back, it's a game changer and everyone but a few see that. I read something a GM was reporting saying, "please someone take Love so he does not fall to KC." The league understands with Mahomes at QB, the KC offense would be nearly impossible to defense. Not my opinion, but people in the league are saying it.

 

[deadeyededric]

Highest rating for a RB in years, we have people comparing him to Barkley, he is much more a sure thing than Bain. Every draft has Love as at least the top 3 players on the board, none, zero have Bain. If he stays healthy, Love will be one of the best backs in the league within a year or two. He checks every box, is what every draft person is saying.
KC needs a dynamic back, it's a game changer and everyone but a few see that. I read something a GM was reporting saying, "please someone take Love so he does not fall to KC." The league understands with Mahomes at QB, the KC offense would be nearly impossible to defense. Not my opinion, but people in the league are saying it.

Who ******* cares? They can get the production they need without gambling their top 10 pick on a guy they aren't gonna pay once his rookie contract is up anyway. Get a damn pass rusher with that pick. Do you not notice that the perennial winners aren't drafting RB's high or paying top $ for backs in free agency? They don't draft WR's high and pay them big money either. If you were a GM your team would look just like the Raiders. I don't really get why they are going to waste that 1st pick on Mendoza. They are going to suck again and have a chance to take a QB again next year in what will be a better QB class.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Who ******* cares? They can get the production they need without gambling their top 10 pick on a guy they aren't gonna pay once his rookie contract is up anyway. Get a damn pass rusher with that pick. Do you not notice that the perennial winners aren't drafting RB's high or paying top $ for backs in free agency? They don't draft WR's high and pay them big money either. If you were a GM your team would look just like the Raiders. I don't really get why they are going to waste that 1st pick on Mendoza. They are going to suck again and have a chance to take a QB again next year in what will be a better QB class.

They are gambling on all of them, half the first round picks will not live up to their draft slot, QBs are even higher. The league went through a span of under valuing the RB position, that is now changing.
You draft for need just as much as talent. Is the QB from Indiana that best player in the draft, not by a long shot, but he good enough to go #1 in the draft because the Raiders need a QB. QB is the most important player on the field, it's easier to be decent with a top of the game QB than without one. It's why the Raiders are going to draft Mendoza as #1. There is no guarantee that they will get Manning or one of the other high ranked QBs next season, so you take him at a position now, while in the position. Just who would you take if you were the Raiders, great defense, and end up like the Jets, great defensive team and the offense sucks. Put you as GM, you end with the Jets.

 

[3TrueFans]

Who ******* cares? They can get the production they need without gambling their top 10 pick on a guy they aren't gonna pay once his rookie contract is up anyway. Get a damn pass rusher with that pick. Do you not notice that the perennial winners aren't drafting RB's high or paying top $ for backs in free agency? They don't draft WR's high and pay them big money either. If you were a GM your team would look just like the Raiders. I don't really get why they are going to waste that 1st pick on Mendoza. They are going to suck again and have a chance to take a QB again next year in what will be a better QB class.

Hearing really good things about Jamarcus Russell

 

[deadeyededric]

They are gambling on all of them, half the first round picks will not live up to their draft slot, QBs are even higher. The league went through a span of under valuing the RB position, that is now changing.
You draft for need just as much as talent. Is the QB from Indiana that best player in the draft, not by a long shot, but he good enough to go #1 in the draft because the Raiders need a QB. QB is the most important player on the field, it's easier to be decent with a top of the game QB than without one. It's why the Raiders are going to draft Mendoza as #1. There is no guarantee that they will get Manning or one of the other high ranked QBs next season, so you take him at a position now, while in the position. Just who would you take if you were the Raiders, great defense, and end up like the Jets, great defensive team and the offense sucks. Put you as GM, you end with the Jets.

You aren't gambling with other positions like you are at RB. You're batting lower with RB's than probably any position there is . You absolutely don't understand positional value either. As far as the Raiders go they will likely have an opportunity to draft a better prospect next year. They won't be able to do it though because they are going to be married to Mendoza for the next several years. There's no ******* way I'm taking him with my #1 pick, especially if I know I'm going to suck again next year. He's the best QB in a horrible class. Doesn't mean he's worthy of that pick. Id trade the pick or play it safe with another position before I drafted a guy #1 that's never going to be an elite player. That's why the Raiders are the Raiders though. I absolutely disagree that just because you need a QB and have the first pick you have to reach and take a guy that really isn't worthy of that pick. Just guarantees you'll continue to suck and have to pay the guy 1st pick $$$. They're going to look brilliant next year when they have a top 5 pick and there are 5 guys on the board better than Mendoza but can't draft any of them. I think id draft David Bailey #1. He's got legit #1 talent.

 

[CYdTracked]

Get a RB in free agency. Good teams don't pay for RB's. I mean Seattle is letting Kenneth Walker walk. They are also going to convert more of Mahomes salary to signing bonus. Look at the 2 RB's drafted last year in the first round. Both also in the AFC West were awful. The Chiefs RB's were beater than Jeanty was for the Raiders. If you are going to take an offensive player that high who isn't a lineman take a WR. RB's get hurt and have high bust potential.

Name the last impact WR the Chiefs have drafted early in the draft since Tyreek Hill and he was a 5th rounder... They used a 1st rounder on Worthy a couple years ago and the jury is still out on him. He's not bad but he's not been a #1 guy so far either. 2023 used a 2nd rounder on Rice. He's been pretty good but still not a true #1 and has had off-field issues too. 2022 Skye Moore in the 2nd round he was a total bust. 2019 a 2nd rounder on Hardman and he was just a complimentary gadget player at times.

If the pick is not Love it better damn well be a player that has an immediate impact at a position of need. The Chiefs offense has been stagnant lately. It used to be their defense sucked and they had to score 40+ to win, now their defense has been one of the better ones in the league the past few years and the offense can't score anymore. And it's not from a lack of trying to add talent at WR either, they had probably their best group there this past season and still struggled. Adding a true threat at RB would open the passing game back up again. Too many times the past 2 years the Chiefs have been in 3rd and long predictable situations because they don't have a running game that can keep defenses honest. We had 3 years of McKinnon as the 3rd down back in passing situations that gave them a threat out of the backfield in the passing game and we have not had someone fill that roll since then either.

 

[deadeyededric]

Name the last impact WR the Chiefs have drafted early in the draft since Tyreek Hill and he was a 5th rounder... They used a 1st rounder on Worthy a couple years ago and the jury is still out on him. He's not bad but he's not been a #1 guy so far either. 2023 used a 2nd rounder on Rice. He's been pretty good but still not a true #1 and has had off-field issues too. 2022 Skye Moore in the 2nd round he was a total bust. 2019 a 2nd rounder on Hardman and he was just a complimentary gadget player at times.

If the pick is not Love it better damn well be a player that has an immediate impact at a position of need. The Chiefs offense has been stagnant lately. It used to be their defense sucked and they had to score 40+ to win, now their defense has been one of the better ones in the league the past few years and the offense can't score anymore. And it's not from a lack of trying to add talent at WR either, they had probably their best group there this past season and still struggled. Adding a true threat at RB would open the passing game back up again. Too many times the past 2 years the Chiefs have been in 3rd and long predictable situations because they don't have a running game that can keep defenses honest. We had 3 years of McKinnon as the 3rd down back in passing situations that gave them a threat out of the backfield in the passing game and we have not had someone fill that roll since then either.

Defensive end is what they need. They also haven't used a top 10 pick on a WR. Baldwin and Bowe were both guys picked in the 20s. You can get a RB in free agency who is somewhat proven. They are out there. I don't want to be a team that drafts running backs high. Those teams don't win. Most of the good backs in the league were 2nd and 3rd round picks. Take one there. And if you look at the top 10 rushers in the league last year you'll notice only 4 even made the playoffs. Bring in a guy like Rico Dowdle or Travis Etienne. Look at rushing leaders last year. There were maybe 5-6(only 1 of them made the playoffs) guys that kind of separated themselves statistically and then there isn't that much of a difference between the 10 best runner and the 35th.

 

[deadeyededric]

We need to replace Nick Bolton also. Great guy but is the absolute worst coverage linebacker in the league. I'm not big on Tranquil either. Chenal is a really good and versatile guy to have though. I hope either McCoy or Delaney is there at CB for that late first round pick. I absolutely love the idea of having all these picks. Well played so far by Veach. I wouldn't be shocked if the Chiefs drafted Royer at TE from Cincinnati if he's there in the 3rd or 4th

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Defensive end is what they need. They also haven't used a top 10 pick on a WR. Baldwin and Bowe were both guys picked in the 20s. You can get a RB in free agency who is somewhat proven. They are out there. I don't want to be a team that drafts running backs high. Those teams don't win. Most of the good backs in the league were 2nd and 3rd round picks. Take one there. And if you look at the top 10 rushers in the league last year you'll notice only 4 even made the playoffs. Bring in a guy like Rico Dowdle or Travis Etienne. Look at rushing leaders last year. There were maybe 5-6(only 1 of them made the playoffs) guys that kind of separated themselves statistically and then there isn't that much of a difference between the 10 best runner and the 35th.

Again they are not getting a running back in FA that is worth a damn without spending millions. If Hall got $14.3 as the tag, what are top shelf running backs going to want, $17 to $20 million a year. You are gong to spend more on a back on a 4 years deal than taking Love at #9.
This is all academic anyway, unless KC is willing to trade up, Love will go anywhere from #3 to #8. Just saw a video that a reporter for Pro Football Focus had heard that the combine that Arizona was thinking about taking his at 3. He thought it was silly, but thought he needed to mention it.

Robinson and McCaffrey both went at #8, to sit here and talk like great backs do not go high in the draft is foolish. How much has McCaffrey changed the 49ers offense, Love would do the exact same thing to KC.

 

[deadeyededric]

Again they are not getting a running back in FA that is worth a damn without spending millions. If Hall got $14.3 as the tag, what are top shelf running backs going to want, $17 to $20 million a year. You are gong to spend more on a back on a 4 years deal than taking Love at #9.
This is all academic anyway, unless KC is willing to trade up, Love will go anywhere from #3 to #8. Just saw a video that a reporter for Pro Football Focus had heard that the combine that Arizona was thinking about taking his at 3. He thought it was silly, but thought he needed to mention it.

Robinson and McCaffrey both went at #8, to sit here and talk like great backs do not go high in the draft is foolish. How much has McCaffrey changed the 49ers offense, Love would do the exact same thing to KC.

There are plenty of running backs they can get at a decent price. There are about 5 really good backs and then 6-35 are all about the same. They can find one. 6-7 million a year will get you a decent back. Look at RB salaries from last year. You're dead wrong. Love is going to cost you 10 million a year anyway. Jeanty cost the Raiders 8.5 million as a rookie. I don't want to pay a rookie RB 10 million a year.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

There are plenty of running backs they can get at a decent price. There are about 5 really good backs and then 6-35 are all about the same. They can find one. 6-7 million a year will get you a decent back. Look at RB salaries from last year. You're dead wrong. Love is going to cost you 10 million a year anyway. Jeanty cost the Raiders 8.5 million as a rookie. I don't want to pay a rookie RB 10 million a year.

As usual you are wrong again, you are not going to get Walker or one of the better backs for less than $14 million or more. If you want to dumpster dive again, you can get a back, but we need a difference maker, not just another back. I already linked what its going to cost you as the #9 pick, the position does not really matter. It's all about production, if you draft Love and he takes the pressure off Mahomes, he is worth twice what you are paying him.

 

[deadeyededric]

As usual you are wrong again, you are not going to get Walker or one of the better backs for less than $14 million or more. If you want to dumpster dive again, you can get a back, but we need a difference maker, not just another back. I already linked what its going to cost you as the #9 pick, the position does not really matter. It's all about production, if you draft Love and he takes the pressure off Mahomes, he is worth twice what you are paying him.

JFC you find your own Kenneth Walker type players. There were a lot of really good backs that cost less than what you'll pay Love. You aren't finding a pass rusher in free agency you can afford so you use the pick on that. Look at the salaries of the top 20 rushers in the league last year. This isn't rocket science. Go ahead and blow your wallet on a first round running back. You'll be like the other teams that do the same. Home for the playoffs.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

JFC you find your own Kenneth Walker type players. There were a lot of really good backs that cost less than what you'll pay Love. You aren't finding a pass rusher in free agency you can afford so you use the pick on that. Look at the salaries of the top 20 rushers in the league last year. This isn't rocket science.

Walker is a poor fit for the Chiefs because he is not good at catching the ball out of the backfield, Hell they talked about it over and over during the Super Bow. Walker is the highest rated running back left, his starting price will be over $14 million a year. This is not rocket science, you finally got something correct, taken you all day. It's Love if he is there, but he will not be most likely. You can get defensive help from the pick that we got for McDuffie, Lott will be back, they like the DE they took last year.
Again I have no problem drafting defense if Love is not there, but hopefully Veach will move heaven and earth to get Love. The kid is that good, and changes the offense not only running the ball but receiving it as well.

 

[deadeyededric]

Walker is a poor fit for the Chiefs because he is not good at catching the ball out of the backfield, Hell they talked about it over and over during the Super Bow. Walker is the highest rated running back left, his starting price will be over $14 million a year. This is not rocket science, you finally got something correct, taken you all day. It's Love if he is there, but he will not be most likely. You can get defensive help from the pick that we got for McDuffie, Lott will be back, they like the DE they took last year.
Again I have no problem drafting defense if Love is not there, but hopefully Veach will move heaven and earth to get Love. The kid is that good, and changes the offense not only running the ball but receiving it as well.

Who the **** said anything about Walker being a Chief. I'm just saying you can find plenty of good RBs at a decent price. Good god you are dense. Here is a list of last years salaries. Bring in a guy like Rico Dowdle. Love hasn't even played a ******* game and you act like he's Jim Brown. But then again you thought the offensive line was good last year

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