Jeff Orr...Super fan?
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You have no ******* idea what he said. Either do any of the twitter idiots. If you don't like what people around you say, then report them. But flipping the bird or making non-racist comments is pretty standard and nothing wrong with it.
Where did I say making racist comments is ok? Please quote that. But since you have no idea IF he said a racist comment, you sound like an idiot.
Whole I am in no way trying to justify what was said, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING gives him the right to assault ANY fan unless he's defending himself from physical harm, (which he wasn't), no matter what transpired or was said. Smart needs to be suspended by OSU and/or the Big 12 and/or the NCAA.
I'm not saying this because of who he is. You simply have to draw a line that can not be crossed. An action like that could create chaos in an enclosed arena. The coaches, athletes, and the handful of police and private security that are on hand could never stop things if they got out of control.
If the guy made racial of ethnic slurs, report it, and ban him from future games, or even take away his season tix. Nothing justifies prejudice either, but it must be handled in the proper way to deter it from happening again. We don't need a soccer fan mentality in college sports, now or ever!
Racist is one thing, but past acts (flipping bird, making faces) don't point to racist comments.
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I agree with you. Regardless of what the fan said, Smart's actions warrant some sort of action. In some states, a person can actually hit someone first if the other person say "fighting words." If the "N" word was used, then they may constitute fighting words. However, that doctrine would not apply to a game situation as players' conduct is governed by conference or NCAA rules.
Really? Someone flipping a player the bird or making faces at them is enough for you to punch them? ok dude...
link to "fighting words law" please.
that sounds like some sort of kangaroo court BS made up in a dirty towny bar in Iowa City so regulars can punch people that walk in the door and don't yell "geow hawlks" before ordering their steel reserve and spending their disability check on pull tabs.
Now here's an intelligent comment with no prejudice.
you can discriminate against the way people look, as long as it's size and not color. obviously....
You'd like enough security to be able to monitor the words being shouted by everyone in the arena and swiftly react to that?
I think the schools and the building management should have the right to remove (and ban) any fan that goes too far in verbally or physically attacking a player, coach or ref. It can be part of the "contract" that is formed when the person buys the ticket to the event. That is not out of line at all.
That being said, no matter what is said, I don't think a player, coach or ref should ever attack a fan physically. No matter what a fan says, it is still just words, and a physical response of any sort is not appropriate.
The other thing that really bothered me about this incident is that the refs and the Okie State coaching staff were not smart enough to get Smart back to the locker room and out of public view and possible public contact. That was just stupid. They were just inviting something more to happen. Very poorly handled, imo.
That being said, no matter what is said, I don't think a player, coach or ref should ever attack a fan physically. No matter what a fan says, it is still just words, and a physical response of any sort is not appropriate.
The other thing that really bothered me about this incident is that the refs and the Okie State coaching staff were not smart enough to get Smart back to the locker room and out of public view and possible public contact. That was just stupid. They were just inviting something more to happen. Very poorly handled, imo.
I don't know what was said or wasn't said, but I do get tired of hearing from some that these athletes owe us something because playing their sport is a "privilege". They worked hard to earn their scholarship or make the team, so just how is this a privilege? It's more of a privilege for me as an avid fan to be able to watch these great athletes perform after putting in the tons of hard work that got them to this high level in their sport. And they're making huge bucks for their colleges while they do it. The privilege is ours, just like it was a privilege to watch Mel put on a performance yesterday that I'll always remember.
which almost did happen, when he tries to turn around and go after a student when he's being lead away when everyone is rushing the court. i'm sure that student yelled an epithet too
it's not a privilege to watch a sporting event when you pay $ to be there. It is a privilege to represent a university through playing a sport. Marcus Smart did not represent his university well.
that being said I think their should be some sort of fan code of conduct where officials and ushers have the right to toss people who are out of control. would that have prevented this incident? I don't know, maybe. I know Marcus Smart using his brain and being mature would have most certainly prevented this incident. He can't handle lubbock, TX. how well do you think Smart will handle road games in NY, NJ, Philly, and other places where fans are far worse once he's in the league?
it was just a normal foul until he went into the stands. then it was the foul already committed in the act of shooting (2 shots), plus a T (2 shots and ball). so instead of just shooting 2 had Smart kept his head, Tech shot 4 and then got the ball.
Who gives a ****. None of this is bad or worse than anything other fans do.
And you know what was said and it's ok and I'm an idiot because reports are this clown made a racist comment. Even if he didn't make a racist comment he made sometime of inappropriate remark that even Orr himself admits he shouldn't of said which is above and beyond normal heckling from jerks in the stands.
