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Iowa pregame thread (men's game)

I dunno. I just don't think Iowa is very good. Nothing I have seen tells me they have the firepower to beat us. Even if our offense is way off, our defense is the great. Could they come in and win? Of course. But I just don't see it. At all. Like at all at all.

If this wasn't Iowa, many on here wouldn't be wringing their hands so much. They're an MVC team with IOWA slapped on their jerseys. A good MVC team, sure.

I just don't understand how anyone that has actually watched them this year sees them and says 'oh man...they're gonna be TROUBLE!'
 
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CyVolk said:
My take is anything can happen in a rivalry game. ISU should win but if and by how much depends on...

1. ISU hitting the 3pt shot, e.g. avoid the Creighton exhibition disaster
2. Avoid early foul or injury to a key player(s)
and, of course,
3. Defensive intensity

I am most concerned about #1. There will be a game when the 3s don't drop. Just hope it isn't this one.
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Wut?

Do you think that was a serious thing?
 
iseedit said:
I think you're forgetting the intimidation factor we've already set. We got snuffed at the Players Era, put up 132 and rolled #1 at Mackey. Iowa is getting preached to all week that they will have to be playing at their best. Usually when you're forced to have everyone play their best, it's human nature to tense up.

Purdue is case in point. I think they got preached to for 5 days on how much pressure we play on defense cause they started the game tense and never freed up. We started tense too but was able to start playing free.

Look at any dominating teams before. Good teams will play them and not play their best just because they're not playing free whereas the dominating team learns to always play free.
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Not sure about Purdue "tensing up" as they started the game well. I think Iowa will actually be loose because they will be playing a top-5 team of their home floor. They have no expectations and will want to prove themselves against the best. If anyone is going to tense up, it's more likely to be ISU. But, we always have something to prove vs. Iowa because of the media bias for Iowa. It might be close at the half but we'll blow them away the second half.
 
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Clonehomer said:
I am excited to see if Toure is on Stirtz. Can he avoid Stirtz’s attempts to draw fouls? And can we force the ball out of his hands to disrupt their offensive sets. Cause as excited as I am to see what Toure can do with Stirtz, I’m equally as excited to see what happens to the rest of that team if they have the ball in their hands. That feels like turnover city to me.
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I loved the no call yesterday when the Purdue point guard late in the game jumped into Toure trying to get 3 free throws and instead the refs said it was nothing and give the ball to ISU after it went out of bounds.
 
CyVolk said:
Yes, there will be games when the 3 point shot percentage will be well below average.
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Yes but using basically a timed scrimmage as the gauge hasn't held up at all for pretty much any aspect of the team.
 
Pope said:
I couldn't find a pregame thread for the Iowa game, so I guess I'll start one.

Time to welcome Mr. McCollum and his band of Drake....i mean Iowa.... players to Hilton Magic.

This rivalry game always makes me nervous, and Iowa is off to a solid start. As of right now, it looks like we're a 6.5 point favorite. I'm no gambler, but I'd bet on us to cover.

I think our biggest opponent Thursday night will be ourselves, not Iowa. In short, can we keep our focus after going on the road and curb stomping the #1 team in the nation?

Well if there's one thing TJ excels in, it's keeping our guys focused.
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We'll cover 6.5 in the first few minutes. This will be a bloodbath.
 
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inCyteful said:
Well yea, like every other game we play?
Maybe my bad, I thought you were suggesting this game would be different. than other games we have won this year? Sorry for being dense but what is different for this game?
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No need to apologize but you felt the need to say what I said was wrong then basically reiterated what I said. .

Things to be concerned about:

Purdue didn't shoot well. That probably wouldn't have impacted the outcome but the margin definitely would be smaller.

We have made the 3 ball at a very high level 3 games in a row. There has to be a regression to the mean. I Know many don't believe in that but metric wise it has to happen or this team will shatter records. That could be a possibility but I'm thinking percentages are against that. Combine their poor shooting and our hot shooting this is where the huge margin of victory comes from.

Most likely this regression will happen over time where we see the 30 to 35% more frequently then not. That is a drop of about 6pts just in made 3pt shots, if we shoot around our number of 20 attempts per game.

McCullum is going to scheme up ways to stop what we like to do. The question is how effective will they be at it? He's a good coach so the realistic answer is not completely but enough to make us uncomfortable. How well do we adjust from that? Past performance has shown we can but our output could will be down a little bit.

Iowa plays at a slow pace so if our offensive efficiency is sub par the number of possessions to overcome it is reduced.

Combine all of this and a regression to the mean on our 3pt shots it could culminate into a smaller then expected margin and if this is down to a couple of possession lead in the last mins anything can happen.

Now I don't think this will happen but I didn't think we would win by 20+ pts at Purdue either. I definitely think if the line is around -12 that is too much. But I'm an idiot so you just wasted a lot of time reading the ramblings of a moron.
 
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Jdk said:
Iowa has no bulk and no true bigs to patrol the paint they were out rebounded by Michigan State 37-18 we should have a big plus with points in the paint
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We had more points in the paint than Purdue. We should eat off of Iowa's head!
 
Very nervous because McCollum is gonna make it an ugly game. If we neutralize Stirtz we should win by 7-10. I imagine it’ll be close for awhile though, we just can’t give in to Iowas style of play and get frustrated
 
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bosco said:
No need to apologize but you felt the need to say what I said was wrong then basically reiterated what I said. .

Things to be concerned about:

Purdue didn't shoot well. That probably wouldn't have impacted the outcome but the margin definitely would be smaller.

We have made the 3 ball at a very high level 3 games in a row. There has to be a regression to the mean. I Know many don't believe in that but metric wise it has to happen or this team will shatter records. That could be a possibility but I'm thinking percentages are against that. Combine their poor shooting and our hot shooting this is where the huge margin of victory comes from.

Most likely this regression will happen over time where we see the 30 to 35% more frequently then not. That is a drop of about 6pts just in made 3pt shots, if we shoot around our number of 20 attempts per game.

McCullum is going to scheme up ways to stop what we like to do. The question is how effective will they be at it? He's a good coach so the realistic answer is not completely but enough to make us uncomfortable. How well do we adjust from that? Past performance has shown we can but our output could will be down a little bit.

Iowa plays at a slow pace so if our offensive efficiency is sub par the number of possessions to overcome it is reduced.

Combine all of this and a regression to the mean on our 3pt shots it could culminate into a smaller then expected margin and if this is down to a couple of possession lead in the last mins anything can happen.

Now I don't think this will happen but I didn't think we would win by 20+ pts at Purdue either. I definitely think if the line is around -12 that is too much. But I'm an idiot so you just wasted a lot of time reading the ramblings of a moron.
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All good discussion. I get this hok game is clouded by the rivalry.

We are probably viewing it the same - ISU decides who wins this game. Let's hope they are intentional with their choice.
 
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CyCity said:
Iowa this year is worse than Drake last year.
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Lol, based on what? Your fantasies? It's the exact same team only they've added Koch who is much better than anyone they had last year besides Stirtz.

The metrics dont back you up either. Iowa is currently 24th on Torvick, last year they finished 52nd at Drake. You have zero clue what youre talking about and I just backed it uo by facts.
 
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