Hoiberg's Recruiting

[nickcyv]

Our guards aren't the problem, it's nobody over 6'5 worth playing that is the problem. Lard and Young are young, not everyone can plug holes like Fred. Jakolby was a top 125ish recruit, but he's competing against older top 125 recruits. Babb, Matt, Monte top 125, Naz a 5th year senior 3 year starter, DJ one of the best JUCO PG's. The fact you can't figure that out doesn't bode(clone) well for your arguments.

Never said the guards are the problrm. Entirely different argument that a guard courtnavergaing over 4 years of experience struggles.

Long isn't competing with top 125 recruits. Thomas and Morris were consnsus 4 stars, whom were recruited more heavily than Long. If Long was a keeper, we would have redshirt him or we would have heard and he would be getting minutes. The silence is deafening.

 

[NATEizKING]

Never said the guards are the problrm. Entirely different argument that a guard courtnavergaing over 4 years of experience struggles.

Long isn't competing with top 125 recruits. Thomas and Morris were consnsus 4 stars, whom were recruited more heavily than Long. If Long was a keeper, we would have redshirt him or we would have heard and he would be getting minutes. The silence is deafening.

I guess I don't think our guard court is struggling. Redshirts don't happen unless you are Bo Ryan or Fran McCaffrey.

 

[CyTwins]

Never said the guards are the problrm. Entirely different argument that a guard courtnavergaing over 4 years of experience struggles.

Long isn't competing with top 125 recruits. Thomas and Morris were consnsus 4 stars, whom were recruited more heavily than Long. If Long was a keeper, we would have redshirt him or we would have heard and he would be getting minutes. The silence is deafening.

Redshirted? Lol. Are you a Badger or Hawkeye?

 

[fsanford]

Never said the guards are the problrm. Entirely different argument that a guard courtnavergaing over 4 years of experience struggles.

Long isn't competing with top 125 recruits. Thomas and Morris were consnsus 4 stars, whom were recruited more heavily than Long. If Long was a keeper, we would have redshirt him or we would have heard and he would be getting minutes. The silence is deafening.

How much did Naz Long play his freshman year?
How much Big 12 action did he get? Why didn't he play?

Naz is a serviceable Big 12 player. isn't he? Based on his freshman year sounds like you would have said he was a bust of a recruit.

 

[fsanford]

I think he lived and succeeded


Hmmm.... the way I look at it, he went to the NCAA one time with Wichita St. - his first year - possibly banking on the talent of the previous coach? Sound familiar? So that's great that he had a "great program" for the mid-majors. I, for one, have bigger and better hopes for ISU basketball. And looking at the talent we had coming into this year that's been squandered, I definitely look at him as the problem.

So who then, who do you think would have came here?

 

[Cyinthenorth]

You can't put all the blame on Fred. Steve's had a couple (one really) chances to get players in here. Time will tell on Young, Lard and Long. I think we'll find out during the offseason if Carter is going to factor in long term. Where Steve really went wrong was in his 5th year transfer recruiting. Bowie and Holden were not ready to contribute at this level. Hate to pick on them, but my eyes aren't deceiving me.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

He also had the luxury of an NBA point guard (in the Ohio Valley) every year he was at Murray State. I would hope he could win.

If we're trying to normalize in-game coaching you'll have to omit Fred's years with White and Georges when comparing him to Prohm. I'd say this year compares favorably to 2010-11, although that team had less holes. With the same roster? He reached the Sweet 16 while Fred owns the worst loss in ISU history.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Prohm has literally the best recruiting class ever coming in next year.

Not sure how anyone could dislike or disagree with that unless they are oblivious to it or so filled with dislike for our coach that they can't be object. Fill it in with a couple needs, and it's a fantastic class.

Perhaps most importantly, it will be players that fit Prohm's style. I get the feeling that the last couple seasons have been tougher because the personnel don't really fit the style, so we've ended up with a weird hybrid (with key inside deficiencies each year).

 

[BryceC]

How dare Fred leave a team with two of the greatest players in the history of the program in Niang and Monte to the next guy.

Fred didn't leave a perfect situation. But it was absolutely as good of a situation as any new coach could possibly hope for.

 

[spitfyr36]

That excuse is feasible for next year...but not this year. At some point the blaming of Fred Hoiberg for every loss is not going to work. Maybe CSP should have taken a great roster last year and gone to the Elite 8 or the Final Four. Maybe he should have taken advantage of the best mismatch in college basketball and gotten us to 12-6 or 13-5 in the Big 12. You see CSP had a chance to build off the Fred momentum and use it to propel Iowa State to land a couple of big-time grad transfers. But that didn't happen we actually regressed slightly...lost T.J. and now we are settling for Bowie and Holden.

He also only had 5 guys to play all year. One guy got in foul trouble and we basically had to forfeit the game.

 

[BryceC]

Yeah he's a good recruiter. Like I said, not sure he's a fit here but I'm still supporting him. Next year will be very telling IMO

Disagree, next year won't really tell us anything. Team will be too young to put much stock in to what happens. Year after will be the year to find out if he's the guy. I hope he is.

 

[awd4cy]

The Racers are 12-11 this season
Last year they were 17-14

Prior 4 years they won 31, 21, 23 and 29 games

He must have left the cubboard bare at Murray State. I blame Prohm for leaving them nothing and neglecting recruiting.

 

[cyfan21]

If Fred's available at the end of the season, I see no problem with JP putting out a feeler to gage his interest in coming back. Prohm probably isn't the guy to get it done in P5 level of college basketball, just like McDermott wasn't.

 

[SCyclone]

Prohm has not kept up the recruiting we lived off 2 year guys for ever there seem to be none coming!

The run-on sentence is your friend!

 

[SCyclone]

He also had the luxury of an NBA point guard (in the Ohio Valley) every year he was at Murray State. I would hope he could win.

Gee, who recruited THOSE guys? We need to get him here!

 

[swarthmoreCY]

How dare Fred leave a team with two of the greatest players in the history of the program in Niang and Monte to the next guy.

Fred didn't leave a perfect situation. But it was absolutely as good of a situation as any new coach could possibly hope for.

In Year 1. I guess we're lucky we didn't get UAB last March.

Year 2? Fred got out before he had to face a year like his first.

 

[SCyclone]

Not sure how anyone could dislike or disagree with that unless they are oblivious to it or so filled with dislike for our coach that they can't be object. Fill it in with a couple needs, and it's a fantastic class.

Perhaps most importantly, it will be players that fit Prohm's style. I get the feeling that the last couple seasons have been tougher because the personnel don't really fit the style, so we've ended up with a weird hybrid (with key inside deficiencies each year).

This x 1,000. For those of you saying CSP can't coach, maybe these players don't fit his style. He obviously prefers a defensive-oriented team, and we have been used to 80+ points per night, never mind how many stops we get.

For most of you, Prohm's biggest fault is that he isn't Fred Hoiberg.

 

[awd4cy]

This x 1,000. For those of you saying CSP can't coach, maybe these players don't fit his style. He obviously prefers a defensive-oriented team, and we have been used to 80+ points per night, never mind how many stops we get.

For most of you, Prohm's biggest fault is that he isn't Fred Hoiberg.

Prohms teams at Murray State weren't defensive oriented.

 

[rochclone]

If we're trying to normalize in-game coaching you'll have to omit Fred's years with White and Georges when comparing him to Prohm. I'd say this year compares favorably to 2010-11, although that team had less holes. With the same roster? He reached the Sweet 16 while Fred owns the worst loss in ISU history.

One small difference is that Georges and Royce played against other NBA talent most nights in the Big 12. Steve had the benefit of having the best player in the Ohio Valley and only NBA player every night.

 

[rochclone]

Gee, who recruited THOSE guys? We need to get him here!

I have never...and you can look at my posts....questioned his ability to recruit. Player development, timeout use, halftime adjustments, in-game adjustments, out of bounds and "specials" design.....Absolutely.