Hoiberg Watch 2015: Monday, June 1 Open Thread
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Thanks for the info, Jeremy. I've tried to be understanding about the situation, but I'm not going to lie, this part does bother me.
I wouldn't worry about losing anyone other than Charlie Henry to the NBA. I would venture quite a bit of his staff was on the Bulls staff last year. Also there are rumors of Doug Collins.
Frankly Matt's comments were why I held out hope initially. Didn't believe he would mislead those kids. Very sad.
Yea, it's link of like telling your neighbor the truth, but lying to your own son.
Do I think Fred is a bad person? No. Do I think he handled this situation well? No. Once a fib is told here and there or you omit something from the story your telling, things can really get out of hand fast. This is an instantaneous world we live in with social media and things can tumble out of control quickly.
I'm not sure Fred meant for all of this to take place, but it did and I hope he learned from it. The old saying "The truth shall set you free" didn't become an old saying for no reason. The simplest answer to any question is always the truth.
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I'm pretty upset with Fred for selling us on ISU being his dream job and then bolting, but I don't think it is fair to attack him concerning money. Everybody wants to make more money and honestly I doubt the pay difference was what caused him to jump. He decided he wanted to coach in the NBA and once he made that decision ISU was out of luck. What I wonder is when he made that decision. Was it from the start? Last year? Last month?
The whole situation kind of sucks but the way Hoiberg has handled it has made it way worse than it could have been. A statement a month ago of something like "I realized I might only be able to coach for a few more years and getting a shot at the NBA is something I need to do" would have been disappoint but understandable. Instead it was run like any other behind the scenes coaching search. That's what stings. He's acting like any coach, not like The Mayor.
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Is it possible that 2 weeks ago he didn't think he would take the job even if offered, but he changed his mind?
He is a person, and he was a great player and coach for us. Give him a break and let him be human. It is sad to see him leave, but he did a great job for us and for ISU while he was here. I can't fault the guy if he wants to follow this path, and he truly believes this is the right decision.
He is a person, and he was a great player and coach for us. Give him a break and let him be human. It is sad to see him leave, but he did a great job for us and for ISU while he was here. I can't fault the guy if he wants to follow this path, and he truly believes this is the right decision.
Exactly. Using that guy's approach we would simply be out even more money. In hindsight we probably should not have even torn up the contract in 2014. We ripped up 2 contracts and paid Fred a LOT more money when we had him under contract. Instead we tore up signed contracts and gave Fred a LOT more money in an effort to keep him satisfied and wanting to stay at Iowa State. We could have paid him $3.5 million the last couple of years and he STILL would have left.
Fred's dream job in the NBA was ANY job in the NBA paying him big money.
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Fairly obvious that Fred was looking to leave at this time. The multiple NBA interviews and contacts are evidence of it. We also have the supposed conversation with Diallo which killed us in his recruitment where Fred says that he could not guarantee that he would be Iowa State's coach in 2015-16. Fred has been planning to leave for a while.
No. So Fred wouldn't have left if he was making $2.6 instead of $2.2 this year? We could have matched the Bulls offer of 5 years/$25 and he still would have left. Because he wants to coach in the NBA.
And even if Hoiberg's NBA buyout was $2 mil, the Bulls would have paid it.
I feel confident in saying that there was nothing realistic that Pollard could do to keep Fred here. Nothing.
I don't know how you avoid #9, you can't tell the players the complete truth, until there is a truth to tell. It WAS Fred's intention to be here, he had no idea the bulls would **** the bed in the playoffs, fire their coach and come storming to Fred's doorstep
" Can Iowa State hire a great basketball coach in his absence? Absolutely. But he won’t be “The Mayor.†That was a once-in-a-lifetime marriage that took decades to build. " Fantastic point, Mr. Williams. There are only very rare opportunities for storybook tales to play out like this. But Hoiberg leaving in no way prevents ISU's future success. It just closes the book on this fairytale one chapter too early. Whoever comes in next has a great place to start from. Nine coaches that have walked into new jobs with a Top 10 team. Six of those made at least the Elite Eight the first year.
