The post was saying he needs to either drop 30 pounds or grow 4 inches to be effective in the NBA, this was the response.
Last I checked Elton Brand was a #1 overall pick.
Higher NBA Draft Pick Royce or HB?
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The post was saying he needs to either drop 30 pounds or grow 4 inches to be effective in the NBA, this was the response.
Last I checked Elton Brand was a #1 overall pick.
Royce will get his chance to shine. If he is good enough and show his skills during the season, he will be noticed by NBA scouts.
We can't compare HB and Royce since Royce hasn't played a single competitive college level game yet!
We can't compare HB and Royce since Royce hasn't played a single competitive college level game yet!
That really doesn't matter. These guys have been playing against the highest levels of competition for their age for years now in the AAU circuits. For the top level recruits, which White fits into, it's going to be business as usual.
College basketball is in no way like college football in the means of transition for the top players.
You make good points (especially with Dejaun Blair being 6'5" - he's played some center!)
A counter to your examples is Fizer. He was extremely strong (and a bit undersized) but his game didn't adjust favorably to the pros - even without the injuries. And I'm sure there are plenty of other "strong undersized" fellas that didn't make it.
CW has been saying for a while that we need to temper our expectations for Royce and just let him play before talking about NBA drafts (or if he'll be taken ahead of HB - are you kidding me?). I'm trying to follow CW's lead. My thoughts on Royce come from watching him at the CCL - his ball handling and court vision were amazing and his strength is absolutely impressive. I'm wondering if he can play defense and if he can run up and down the court. He looks too heavy to me to play at Hoiberg's pace for more than 25 min/game.
This is probably the dumbest question ever on CF. HB is going top 5 (prob top 3) next year. Royce has never proven himself in a real game.
NBA is more concerned with a player's wingspan than height. They want players that can rebound over some one, block shots etc. In my opinion, Royce most certianly needs to trim 10-15 lbs. before the start of the season.
Because someone got excited about an upcoming season, so the legion of downers decided to knock him down a peg.
Also for all you geniuses dismissing the guys question, speculation isn't fact. Will HB get drafted higher? Probably. Is it a done deal? Of course not.
If Royce blows up this year and goes for 25pt/8rb/5assists on average he will....still not be drafted ahead of HB.
Excuse me for using his listed roster height, which matches up with his recruiting profile.
And rightly so. Unless HB has a farm accident this summer he's going to be a top 3 draft pick. I see Royce at 4.
The only way this isn't a done deal is if injuries come into play. RW could average 25 and 10 and HB average 15 and 5 and next June, HB would be pick #1 and RW would be a borderline first rounder.
The difference between here and the hok board is that here, there is one crazy post with everyone else disagreeing. Over there, quite a few kool-aid drinking loons jump on board with the OP.
The real question to me is how good do we want Royce to be. I want him to light it up, but not so much that he is one and done. We look good at the guard postions for the future, but not so much in the post. I really think we need him all 3 years, unless we can snag another proven post transfer. I know this question sounds silly as well, but I don't think we want him getting drafted after next year.
While I agree that it's way too premature to have this kind of discussion, and that HB is clearly the more highly regarded NBA prospect, I thought I'd throw this out there. For the sake of argument only.
Where was Derrick Williams projected at this time last season? I'm honestly not sure, I'd never heard of him before last February. Both RW and Williams were big HS recruits. They seem to be a similar size and play a similar style (similar, not identical, we don't need height and weight stats listed here), playing for teams that had potential but not too many expectations. One huge season later and Williams is the Pac 10 player of the year and second overall pick. Not saying it will happen, only that everyone would have dismissed a Derrick Williams vs HB draft discussion as ridiculous before last season too. Whenever Barnes declares, he'll be one of the top picks and may well have gone ahead of Williams had he come out this year. Just solely for the sake of argument I'm saying that crazy things can happen and no one should be acting like anything's set in stone.
Clearly the OP was more impressed with RW's performance in the CCL than he was in watching HB in the CIML, and if we can ignore the wild conjecture regarding draft position, it might be a valid point. HB had 2 other D1 (barely) players on his team beating up on horribly overmatched teams that had none. So if we ignore the AAU circuit and the hype and the perceived potential of the respective players, it's not that crazy to say White looked like the better player.
Where was Derrick Williams projected at this time last season? I'm honestly not sure, I'd never heard of him before last February. Both RW and Williams were big HS recruits. They seem to be a similar size and play a similar style (similar, not identical, we don't need height and weight stats listed here), playing for teams that had potential but not too many expectations. One huge season later and Williams is the Pac 10 player of the year and second overall pick. Not saying it will happen, only that everyone would have dismissed a Derrick Williams vs HB draft discussion as ridiculous before last season too. Whenever Barnes declares, he'll be one of the top picks and may well have gone ahead of Williams had he come out this year. Just solely for the sake of argument I'm saying that crazy things can happen and no one should be acting like anything's set in stone.
Clearly the OP was more impressed with RW's performance in the CCL than he was in watching HB in the CIML, and if we can ignore the wild conjecture regarding draft position, it might be a valid point. HB had 2 other D1 (barely) players on his team beating up on horribly overmatched teams that had none. So if we ignore the AAU circuit and the hype and the perceived potential of the respective players, it's not that crazy to say White looked like the better player.
