Herman Gone? Some possible replacements

[eddiepishammerd]

Herman wasn't perfect, but I sure as hell like him a lot better than Burnham. The defensive line has been ineffective and the weakest link the entire season yet he doesn't blitz enough to at LEAST try to keep things honest. Almost like our version of Norm Parker.

You could be the dumbest person on here. No sarcasm on my part at all.

Hermans offense totally changed from 1st game to last. I don't think that he did that bad of a job when you look at the whole season. Where I would give burnham an a, I would give Herman a b-. He dealt with a lot of drops, fumbles, and penalties that are hard to plan around.

 

[Stormin]

Messingham is our special teams coach andis doing a very good job with that. I think CPR makes Mess known that special teams is a very important piece and that he is needed in that role and not necessarily as the OC.

Depends on if Messingham wants to be an OC. But to be honest, then you are saying since I am doing such a damn good job at Special Teams and WR Coach and did a damn good job as the TE Coach that I can't be the OC because I have proved competent and done a great job at all the other jobs that I have been given.

So WHEN exactly and WHO exactly is to give a new OC at the BCS level their first break since any OC has had to been successful at a BCS school?

Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

 

[xboxfever]

You could be the dumbest person on here. No sarcasm on my part at all.

Still not as dumb as Clones21.

 

[Stormin]

If I am Messingham and I wanted the job as the OC, I would tell CPR that my special teams coaching prowess may not be needed on those 4th and Long plays for the fake punts or the onside kicks that we must execute successfully because if I was the OC we would be scoring some freaking points. A helluva lot more than the 21 or 22 points per game that we have been scoring. We would most likely have the lead and hopefully a substantial one.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Has Mark Mangino already been mentioned?

 

[shawn_200m]

BobbyLaGesse Bobby La Gesse
Paul Rhoads doesn't plan on starting his search for a new OC until after the bowl game. Rhoads does want to keep spread, up tempo offense.

Looks like we'll be waiting awhile.

 

[bosco]

BobbyLaGesse Bobby La Gesse Paul Rhoads doesn't plan on starting his search for a new OC until after the bowl game. Rhoads does want to keep spread, up tempo offense.Looks like we'll be waiting awhile.

Good, there is always alot of coaching movement after the bowls. CPR isn't going to make any hasty decisions.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

BobbyLaGesse Bobby La Gesse
Paul Rhoads doesn't plan on starting his search for a new OC until after the bowl game. Rhoads does want to keep spread, up tempo offense.

Looks like we'll be waiting awhile.

I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows who he is hiring and that person is coaching another team in a bowl. No need for anymore distractions before the bowl game.

 

[Stormin]

I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows who he is hiring and that person is coaching another team in a bowl. No need for anymore distractions before the bowl game.

Very possible.

 

[letsgostate]

So the decision to hire CPR was a bad one because he had NO Head Coaching experience prior to becoming the HC at ISU? You are funny. Messingham has OC experience. Plus he has done a great job at EVERY job he has had at ISU. SOMEONE had to give OC their first job. So your message to Messingham and the other coaches is that they need to leave ISU because there is no way in hell that they can be promoted to a higher position without leaving ISU FIRST.

IF CPR wants to offer the job to Messingham, I am supportive. IMO, he is a qualified candidate. And just as viable a candidate as the other names that have been brought up.

Totally agree...you are 100% right on all points!!

 

[D UP Clones]

This is the same argument people make against Tebow. Because his stats aren't gaudy, he isn't an NFL player.

Urban Meyer doesn't go off stats, he goes off game film, and he sees the dropped balls and turnovers in the red zone. He sees something in Herman that you obviously don't.

No offense, but I'd bet on Meyer's eyes. The only thing that matters is that Herman has been a part of near 3-year streak of getting a team bowling in the toughest conference who also just happens to have three years of experience coaching against a Big Ten school. Convenient.

I understand if your argument is that he's wrong for us but right for them, maybe. But Herman is highly recognized and widely acknowledged as a possible future star. Maybe he hasn't delivered on that promise yet, but, trust me, Meyer doesn't care about the scoring stats, for a reason. If it was just a question of getting the highest scoring OC out there, he would have gone after Okie State's or Baylor's or Boise's for that matter.

No offense, but I will bet just about anything that there will be a CO-offensive coordinator tag or that Meyer plans on calling the plays.

Meyer, like every good coach, knows that execution is clearly the responsibility of the coach. You don't call plays with players that can't do it and you replace players that can't catch.

Like another poster said, I'll believe it when I see it during a game. Herman's offenses were not good at ISU and he inherited a good, experienced quarterback to start at ISU.

 

[WaverlyCy]

No offense, but I will bet just about anything that there will be a CO-offensive coordinator tag or that Meyer plans on calling the plays.

Meyer, like every good coach, knows that execution is clearly the responsibility of the coach. You don't call plays with players that can't do it and you replace players that can't catch.

Like another poster said, I'll believe it when I see it during a game. Herman's offenses were not good at ISU and he inherited a good, experienced quarterback to start at ISU.

Ohio State hires Iowa State's Tom Herman as new offensive coordinator and QB coach | cleveland.com

"Meyer has said he'll call his own plays and, in many ways, he'll serve as his own offensive coordinator. But Herman will play a large role in implementing the spread offense in Columbus and in tutoring freshman quarterback Braxton Miller."

 

[DistrictCyclone]

No offense, but I will bet just about anything that there will be a CO-offensive coordinator tag or that Meyer plans on calling the plays.

Meyer, like every good coach, knows that execution is clearly the responsibility of the coach. You don't call plays with players that can't do it and you replace players that can't catch.

Like another poster said, I'll believe it when I see it during a game. Herman's offenses were not good at ISU and he inherited a good, experienced quarterback to start at ISU.

Why would Urban do that? He had no qualms about letting Dan Mullen (and Addazio) run the offense during his tenure at Utah and UF; why would he insist upon doing it at tOSU? And sometimes it's too much for a head coach to be calling the plays and the team will actually improve when the HC gives that role to someone else (case in point, Mike Gundy).

Herman did fine here given the hand he was played; I think most of our offensive shortcomings are attributable to a lack of talent. While Arnaud was a decent QB, he was no stud, our offensive line has had its share of struggles, and our receiving corps has been less than stellar. There's a reason Herman's offenses went from scoring 40+ a game to only 20-25. The same thing happened with McFarland before him, running a similar style of offense (though McFarland's never looked that much like a spread).

The difference really is the Jacks and Joes, not the Xs and Os here. It'd be interesting to see what Herman could do with talent like Weeden and Blackmon instead of Arnaud and Darks.

 

[Die4Cy]

I think player development under this staff has been pretty good, regardless of what the stats say today.

I think the offensive schemes are solid.

If I was a coach looking to make the hire of OC, these are the primary areas I would be looking at.

 

[cloneteach]

I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows who he is hiring and that person is coaching another team in a bowl. No need for anymore distractions before the bowl game.

If this is indeed true. Would it eliminate anyone we had previously mentioned?

 

[jaretac]

Ohio State hires Iowa State's Tom Herman as new offensive coordinator and QB coach | cleveland.com

"Meyer has said he'll call his own plays and, in many ways, he'll serve as his own offensive coordinator. But Herman will play a large role in implementing the spread offense in Columbus and in tutoring freshman quarterback Braxton Miller."

So Herman is a puppet?:wideeyed:

 

[kingcy]

So Herman is a puppet?:wideeyed:

Murphy's Law: Football Withdrawel, No National Titles For ISU/UNI, Panther Hoops For Real

Spoke with departing Cyclone offensive coordinator Tom Herman today. The decision to leave for Ohio State really was pretty simple. Professionally it's a chance to work with perhaps the best offensive mind in college football, Urban Meyer. Personally it's a hefty pay raise moving from OC at ISU to OSU. This was a no-brainer.

 

[clonedude]

So Herman is a puppet?:wideeyed:

Yeah, basically. This is a great gig if you can get it. You're the "offensive coordinator" at Ohio State, making over a million bucks a year, but you don't have to actually call the plays, so you're basically not responsible for anything.

He's a glorified recruiter, and that's about it. But you can't blame him one bit for taking this job. Awesome money and no responsiblities.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Yeah, basically. This is a great gig if you can get it. You're the "offensive coordinator" at Ohio State, making over a million bucks a year, but you don't have to actually call the plays, so you're basically not responsible for anything.

He's a glorified recruiter, and that's about it. But you can't blame him one bit for taking this job. Awesome money and no responsiblities.

He didn't even recruit for us that much. He will have almost no responsibilities.

 

[isuno1fan]

I'll miss his wife...she was a hottie.