Grade school "whippins"

Thanks for explaining it to the "touchy feely" crowd.

No need to get snide.

I realize that this is a divisive issue, but I respect the opinions of those that have said that they spank in a controlled manner, infrequently.

I'm not calling for trials and stringing up spanking parents by their knuckles...if I were to do that, I'd have to prosecute my parents!

I'm just trying to help people realize that there are alternatives if they choose to explore them.
 
I feel like Ive turned out OK. College grad, decent job, responsible, ect. ect. Well the reason I say that is my parents beat the **** out of me with a wooden spoon when Id act up. Hell, I even got picked up by my neck once. Point is, did that work on my sister? No. Did it work on me? Yes. No one method is best obviously. Im for spankings because it worked on me, my sister on the other hand is not. Id say do what gets results. If you can get results without it, then by all means dont spank, but dont completely rule it out if the other methods arent working.
 
Thanks for explaining it to the "touchy feely" crowd.

Certainly some of my evidence is purely anecdotal, but my guess would be that statistically, the crime rate has gone up exponentially over the past four or five decades compared to what it was in the 1950s and 1960s when parents regularly used corporal punishment.

I wasn't brought up in Iowa, but in a midwestern town of around 25,000. The community has grown to around 45,000 today. I can honestly tell you that there probably wasn't a square inch of pavement that I hadn't driven my bicycle over when I was a kid. At night during the summer, my Junior High School buddies and I would regularly walk down town (which was probably two miles from the neighborhood I was brought up in). And my parents never worried for our safe keeping. Why? Because there wasn't such thing as a gang in the town. To anyone's knowledge, there weren't drugs in town. I don't know if we had ever had a murder...ever! An armed robbery? Never heard of one there. A rape or a mugging? Unheard of.

I still have an older brother and a younger sister there, in addition to a number of high school friends. My brother and sister have told me horror stories about some of the things going on there today. A good friend of mine told me a story when I was back home maybe 10 or 12 years ago about how a police cruiser stopped by their house one Friday night prior to a high school football game and literally drove his daughter to the football game that night. Why? Because a rumor had spread throughout the community during the week prior to the football game that a gang in town was going to shoot a high school cheerleader at the game that night. His daughter was a cheerleader. I'm talking a midwestern town of 45,000 not Chicago or St. Louis or Memphis.

Again, if you can with a straight face tell me kids aren't doing things today that would have been unheard of 30 and 40 years ago, you certainly have got a better sense of humor than I do.
How do you know the problems that city is having now isn't because parents were beating the **** out of their kids, thus sending a message to the kids that violence is ok, which is then perpetuated by those kids upon their own children? The simple answer is you don't. Thus, the request for studies with some actual scientific rigor rather than anecdotal evidence.

Or, how about this ... a third, unobserved factor that you aren't accounting for in your anecdotal stories.
 
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How do you know the problems that city is having now isn't because parents were beating the **** out of their kids, thus sending a message to the kids that violence is ok, which is then perpetuated by those kids upon their own children? The simple answer is you don't. Thus, the request for studies with some actual scientific rigor rather than anecdotal evidence.

Or, how about this ... a third, unobserved factor that you aren't accounting for in your anecdotal stories.

Single family homes?
 
So you're dumping all of the problems of the youth of today on not spanking them enough? I'm confused what you're trying to imply here.

No, cmoneyr, I don't mean to imply that spanking is the only issue related to the problems of the youth today. There certainly are other issues. But my guess (pure anecdotally, of course) is that the lack of discipline, in general, used by parents today is a major contributing factor.

Other factors certainly are present, too. Parents leaving the upbringing of their children to the television set, video games, and the local day care center certainly haven't helped. The breakdown of the family unit, in general is a contributing factor. Of the kids who were my friends growing up in school, I don't know of one of them who's mom and dad still weren't married and in the home. When I was a kid, you could have shot a cannon down our street on a Sunday morning and not hit anyone because everyone was in church. I could go on and on. In all too many cases, children are not taught respect in general. When I was a youngster, my parents taught me that there were certain groups of people I was to respect...period. That group included the police man, the fire man, the post man, the minister, the teacher, etc. When I had a problem at school, my parents always came down on the side of the teacher or the principal. When I got in trouble at school, the punishment dished out by the school was minor compared to the punishment I knew was coming when I got home.

There are a lot of issues in play here. Unfortunately, you young people did not have the pleasure of growing up in a time when your innocense stayed with you. Were things perfect? Certainly not. But never, not once, do I recall worrying about walking alone to school. Never, not once, do I recall worrying about whether someone might break into our home that night. Never, not once, do I recall worrying about sexual preditors.

Something has changed. I'll let those of you who are smarter than I am be the judge of what it is!
 
No, cmoneyr, I don't mean to imply that spanking is the only issue related to the problems of the youth today. There certainly are other issues. But my guess (pure anecdotally, of course) is that the lack of discipline, in general, used by parents today is a major contributing factor.

Other factors certainly are present, too. Parents leaving the upbringing of their children to the television set, video games, and the local day care center certainly haven't helped. The breakdown of the family unit, in general is a contributing factor. Of the kids who were my friends growing up in school, I don't know of one of them who's mom and dad still weren't married and in the home. When I was a kid, you could have shot a cannon down our street on a Sunday morning and not hit anyone because everyone was in church. I could go on and on. In all too many cases, children are not taught respect in general. When I was a youngster, my parents taught me that there were certain groups of people I was to respect...period. That group included the police man, the fire man, the post man, the minister, the teacher, etc. When I had a problem at school, my parents always came down on the side of the teacher or the principal. When I got in trouble at school, the punishment dished out by the school was minor compared to the punishment I knew was coming when I got home.

There are a lot of issues in play here. Unfortunately, you young people did not have the pleasure of growing up in a time when your innocense stayed with you. Were things perfect? Certainly not. But never, not once, do I recall worrying about walking alone to school. Never, not once, do I recall worrying about whether someone might break into our home that night. Never, not once, do I recall worrying about sexual preditors.

Something has changed. I'll let those of you who are smarter than I am be the judge of what it is!
So, as you said, there is no way we could try to tie the fact that parents aren't spanking their kids to the problems with today's youth. There are so many, probably thousands of factors, there is literally no way to say. Your anecdotal evidence means diddly poo, just like most anecdotal evidence. I would argue that parents not being involved in their kids lives has a much more effect on not producing well mannered children than not disciplining them by hitting them has.

There are a lot of issues in play here. Unfortunately, you young people did not have the pleasure of growing up in a time when your innocense stayed with you. Were things perfect? Certainly not. But never, not once, do I recall worrying about walking alone to school. Never, not once, do I recall worrying about whether someone might break into our home that night. Never, not once, do I recall worrying about sexual preditors.
I don't worry about any of those things now either.

chadm said:
Single family homes?
As opposed to homes with multiple families in them?