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give me a break, she just asked a hypothetical question about a much discussed topic on here, and just because some of you don't like talking about it she's "stirring the pot"
 
Bader said:
give me a break, she just asked a hypothetical question about a much discussed topic on here, and just because some of you don't like talking about it she's "stirring the pot"
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I am assuming that is directed at me. I will just say that I don't think a graduating senior's girlfriend should be your be all end all when it comes to the basketball team's attitude, future success etc.
 
ISUChippewa said:
That's interesting that Mac has issues relating to and connecting with his players. Also kind of alarming.

I guess I find it surprising because I don't think he had any issues at all with that at UNI. I remember reading an article in his first season before we played UNI when Eric Coleman and Grant Stout were quoted by the Register as saying that they would still get phone calls and text messages from Mac after they had a good game. He was also very close by to Stout last year when Stout had some sort of heart surgery. To me, that doesn't like someone that has trouble relating to college athletes.
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Maybe it's different at ISU. Maybe it's difficulty relating with players he didn't originally bring in. Who knows, but I've heard some of the same stuff.
 
Cyfan13 said:
I think Mac is a very good coach, but I think he has problems relating and connecting to his players. I think the recruiting will be an issue for him, but I still think he is the right guy for the job.
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I have been an unapologetic, unqualified supporter of Mac's all along. I've defended him, heatedly at times. My perspective is that of a typical fan's in that I'm viewing the program from a distance and don't personally know any of the chief personalities involved (coaches or players).

If a key player were to leave now, after all that's transpired the past 24 months and when most of us desire and expect a certain stability in the program to be achieved finally, I'd be greatly shaken. I would lose a certain sense of confidence about Mac and his program.

Your comment about Mac's inability to connect with players has shaken me somewhat, too. Your remark seems contradictory in that you say relating and recruiting are problems but nevertheless that Mac's the right man for the job. Would you elaborate? What qualities make Mac the right man?

(I see that you've responded to some others after I posted this but before I read those comments. But, boy, life is just never smooth. . . .)
 
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CyValley said:
I have been an unapologetic, unqualified supporter of Mac's all along. I've defended him, heatedly at times. My perspective is that of a typical fan's in that I'm viewing the program from a distance and don't personally know any of the chief personalities involved (coaches or players).

If a key player were to leave now, after all that's transpired the past 24 months and when most of us desire and expect a certain stability in the program to be achieved finally, I'd be greatly shaken. I would lose a certain sense of confidence about Mac and his program.

Your comment about Mac's inability to connect with players has shaken me somewhat, too. Your remark seems contradictory in that you say relating and recruiting are problems but nevertheless that Mac's the right man for the job. Would you elaborate? What qualities make Mac the right man?
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I think it's a combination of being from Cascade and being tall.
 
you weren't the only one pointing the "stirring the pot" finger. And what does that have to do with anything? The fact that she may be close to the program has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion
 
Bader said:
you weren't the only one pointing the "stirring the pot" finger. And what does that have to do with anything? The fact that she may be close to the program has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion
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REALLY? Everyone on her is asking her questions like she is the AD or an assistant coach.
 
I guess perhaps I'm unclear what you believe she's stirring the pot with. My post was originally in reference to the fact that ISUFan22 claimed she's stirring the pot by asking a simple "what if?"
 
cys_av8r said:
REALLY? Everyone on her is asking her questions like she is the AD or an assistant coach.
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She probably knows more than the vast majority of the people on this site, so we ask questions. I consider her info as good as anybody's on here, and I like hearing it. We all know its just one person's opinions and observations, but it's closer to the program than most. Besides, I like this type of info as opposed to info from the AD or assistant coaches.....they always sugarcoat things....as they should.
 
If Mac doesn't relate well with players, and he knew that this was one of his weaknesses and he wanted to stay away from player relations....then why does he pick up Butler and Vanderbeken at the airport today....why not just let one of the assistant coaches pick them up....if Otz has such a great relationship with the coach at Tyler CC then why not have Otz pick them up....it seems to me that there are some contradictions here somewhere.....
 
I really don't think for one second that CyFan13 is trying to stir the pot....she is just being real with a real issue that we could face....at any given time with any player, star player or not....
 
cys_av8r said:
REALLY? Everyone on her is asking her questions like she is the AD or an assistant coach.
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You're right, I'm not an assisant coach or the AD. I only know what the players tell me (and not just Rahshon) and what I've seen over the last 2 years.

I do think Mac is the right guy for the job because he is a good coach. It's that simple. He has Pre, TJ, Rutter, Crawf, to help him connect to the players. And when I was referring to recruiting being an issue, I didn't mean because of his personality, but because he doesn't have connections like a lot of other coaches around the country do.

As I said, a lot of good coaches are not "player coaches". One example I know of personally was Coach Snyder at K State. My brother played under him for 5 years, and he was definitely not a player's coach, but my brother and his teammates respected him. And he was able to get recruits.
 
Do you mean Coach Snyder at Missouri? Or are you referring to ex-football coach Bill Snyder?
 
Cyc1ones said:
If Mac doesn't relate well with players, and he knew that this was one of his weaknesses and he wanted to stay away from player relations....then why does he pick up Butler and Vanderbeken at the airport today....why not just let one of the assistant coaches pick them up....if Otz has such a great relationship with the coach at Tyler CC then why not have Otz pick them up....it seems to me that there are some contradictions here somewhere.....
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I'm pretty sure an assistant was with him. Generally the assistant coach identifies the recruit and Mac closes the deal. I think an Ames Tribune article mentioned that Coach Mac and Coach Prioleau were in Texas last week visiting the two. JMO
 
I would assume she means Bill Snyder if her brother played for him for five years. If Quin can get along with Ricky Clemons he can get along with anybody.

REALLY? Everyone on her is asking her questions like she is the AD or an assistant coach.
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I feel like she has some insight to provide as opposed to random rampant internet speculation. I assume she's speaking as a mouthpiece that knows the players. So yes, I think her opinion is more valuable than 99% of the people on this site, and roughly 8 bazillion times more important than my opinion.
 
BryceC said:
and roughly 8 bazillion times more important than my opinion.
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Damn, I thought there was a direct relationship b/t opinions and number of posts. Now I'll never be important :sad:
 
Bader said:
Damn, I thought there was a direct relationship b/t opinions and number of posts. Now I'll never be important :sad:
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This is the only direct relationship that I can find:

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Also, to further illustrate my point, I just made that in MS Paint.
http://photos-950.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v194/121/61/16930950/n16930950_36409971_3980.jpg
 
Oh...my....god.....

Thank you Bryce, my life...it has meaning now
 
Cyfan13 said:
Exactly. Mac is a good coach and that's what he does well. He has a great staff to help connect with the players. There are a lot of coaches that aren't "player coaches" but they still get the job done. Mac isn't necessarily a "player's coach" but that doesn't mean he's not a good coach. He surrounded himself with assistant coaches and grad coaches that are "player coaches" so it all balances out.
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To help clarify for those that have jumped off the deep edge over this comment -

Wayne Morgan - player's coach
Larry Eustachy - not a player's coach - did earn respect from those that could handle him
Tim Floyd - not a player's coach, but did get great respect from players that earned it

If you look in the NCAA Tournament, I don't think you would find any of the coaches as being buddy-buddy to the players - that is exactly what the assistants are for and why Wayne is such a good assistant and recruiter as opposed to a head coach.

Think of it this way - as a parent, during your child's formative years, should you be your child's best friend, or should you be their parent?
 
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