Firing CPR is a big mistake

allfourcy

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I can't say that I was on the "Fire CPR bandwagon" like so many loud voices on here, but I can't say I was truly on the "Retain CPR bandwagon" either. If that makes any sense!

It was a tough call for Pollard to make. I understand the OP's long-term and historical perspective, while so many on here issue knee jerk reactions daily and don't seem to truly understand what it is like to win at ISU. I suppose if I was forced to make the decision, I certainly would not have fired him before the season ended, and I probably would have retained him for one more year. There were many practical reasons for doing so - lots of job openings nation wide to compete against, few available quality coaches, $4.5 million buyout, retaining talented players - etc.

Harder to calculate were the effects retaining him would have had on donations and tickets next year. Those practical effects needed to be accounted for as well, but are probably difficult and nebulous to measure. It would be interesting to know how many big boosters were calling on Pollard to act / threatening removal of support. My hunch is that he must have been receiving calls / texts / emails from people that matter. I guess if there were a ton of calls / texts / emails from people that matter, my decision may have changed if I was in Pollard's shoes. Ultimately, Pollard has a duty to act in ISU's athletic interest, but also a duty to follow the wishes of ISU's supporters to some extent.

Only time will tell how smart all these people calling for CPR's head right now are, but count me as one that would not have fired CPR this season. When you take an aggregate view of his tenure, it is pretty good by ISU standards.

Trust me, I have been questioning coaching decisions all season - like the 8 yard cushion while not blitzing which allows the opposing QB to sit back and pick apart our 30 yard zone, and the K-State series - but I just don't know if we can do much better at ISU. Hope I'm wrong.

This whole post is well written. The several pros and cons makes it a tough call for Pollard. Heck, they even make it tough on us fans who donate/support/attend games/etc. Its hard to know how to feel, imo. Transition of staff always seems to set a program back some, so I suppose we have to be patient another couple of years to know if this next coach will be better. This is probably what gives us the most anxiety right there. Just hope the new staff can keep all impact players and recruits as Cyclones.
 

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As a person "with a mathematical background", you understand that all we needed to do was take a knee and waste like 5 seconds in three plays, right? Those kinds of decisions are inexcusable. Most HS coaches, most fans, the announcers, etc. all knew the game was over. Take the knee. Wow.
Paul did not know. The Mangino chart said so.
 

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It's time.. I wanted it to work so damn bad. But as I was sitting at Bill Snyder Stadium watching us **** this game down our leg it became completely clear it has to end now with CPR.

All 12 people on our group has no desire of renewing tickets next year unless it was with a different coach in place.

Also, I don't think many people understand this. If CPR was back next year, we would probably have a new defensive coordinator, and a couple other coaches to replace from what was left over from Mangino's offensive staff.

Who would want to come here knowing CPR had 1 more year to prove himself?

Hadn't looked at it that way. Staff turnover is always an issue the way it is, it seems. Having a lame duck coach wouldn't help that.
 

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Well, are you satisfied?

Well, many of you got what you wanted, Coach Rhoads has been fired. Have you ever thought of the repercussions? Will all our current players stay? Will we still get those players we have recruited? Will we have a winning season next year or the year after with all coaching staff being replaced? I'll eat my words if there is a complete turn around of the program within the next couple of years. I don't think the players would necessarily be on board with the coaching change.
 

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Re: Well, are you satisfied?

Am I satisfied that a coach we all loved didn't win enough to stick around? No. But it is a move that needed to be made. Right or wrong.
 

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Re: Well, are you satisfied?

The bar is three wins in each of the last three seasons with Rhoads. I am pretty sure the next guy can find a way to win three games. As for recruits? Where can we find more 2 or 3 star players? And finally, we don't retain Rhoads simply so Lazard plays four years at ISU.

So to your question...yes I am satisfied.
 

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Re: Well, are you satisfied?

It's only step 1. An important step, nonetheless.
 

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Re: Well, are you satisfied?

Well, many of you got what you wanted, Coach Rhoads has been fired. Have you ever thought of the repercussions? Will all our current players stay? Will we still get those players we have recruited? Will we have a winning season next year or the year after with all coaching staff being replaced? I'll eat my words if there is a complete turn around of the program within the next couple of years. I don't think the players would necessarily be on board with the coaching change.

yep..satisfied. You do realize that players are only here for 4 years...and then they leave, right? You do realize this is not a professional team? You do realize that making decisions for the short term (like we have been) will do nothing but kill your program?

Out of curiosity, what would you have liked to see happen?
 

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Re: Well, are you satisfied?

Well, many of you got what you wanted, Coach Rhoads has been fired. Have you ever thought of the repercussions? Will all our current players stay? Will we still get those players we have recruited? Will we have a winning season next year or the year after with all coaching staff being replaced? I'll eat my words if there is a complete turn around of the program within the next couple of years. I don't think the players would necessarily be on board with the coaching change.


Repercussions? It couldn't get much worse than the last 3 seasons. I'm finding it hard to believe that there are so many people who still believe that Rhoads is some hall of fame coach.

Here is the deal. Rhoads was a good motivator but was not successful as a coach at ISU.
 

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Re: Well, are you satisfied?

No. I'm not satisfied that a coach lost his job, we may lose recruits, we may lose a player or two. I'm also not satisfied with ******* games down the drain in the fashion that we have over the last 3 years nor the utter blowouts we've been handed. There was very little, if any, evidence that we'd be able to not **** away 21- and 17-point 2nd half leads again next year.

I love Rhoads as a person, as the "right guy for this school," as someone the players love. But this is a business. The players will realize it was a move made for them. They are fiercely loyal to their current coach, and with the right guy hired, will hopefully be fiercely loyal to him as well.
 

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Rhoads had to go. Keith Murphy mentioned something about this last night on Soundoff, but you need one of two things to sell to a fanbase to keep them invested in the program: 1) Success or 2) Hope. Rhoads would have neither of those going into next year. With a new coach you can at least sell the hope factor and keep fans excited for a new regime. The last thing ISU would want is to start losing fans and season ticket holders.


Just look at the Hawks, 10-0 #4 ranking before the Purdue game and they still can’t sell out because of the few years before. It is very hard to win back a customer after you lose them. I think JP saw the writing on the wall, tickets would have dropped off big time for next year if Rhoads was still on the sidelines. We all love the guy, but at the end of the day it was a business decision.
 

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Re: Well, are you satisfied?

Well, many of you got what you wanted, Coach Rhoads has been fired. Have you ever thought of the repercussions? Will all our current players stay? Will we still get those players we have recruited? Will we have a winning season next year or the year after with all coaching staff being replaced? I'll eat my words if there is a complete turn around of the program within the next couple of years. I don't think the players would necessarily be on board with the coaching change.

Do you honestly think PR was going to have winning seasons in '16 and '17? Because he wasn't.

I'm not looking for a complete turn around. I'm looking for competency with a plan and an identity.
 

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After the Lanning fumble everyone knew Rhoads was done. Unfortunately the fat lady was singing. And I was on the letting Rhoads stay bandwagon earlier.
 

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Don't know why there are so many feeling sorry for CPR. He and his staff screwed up about as bad as you can and he is getting $4.5 million for his effort. None of us are that lucky.