Firing CPR is a big mistake

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I can't say that I was on the "Fire CPR bandwagon" like so many loud voices on here, but I can't say I was truly on the "Retain CPR bandwagon" either. If that makes any sense!

It was a tough call for Pollard to make. I understand the OP's long-term and historical perspective, while so many on here issue knee jerk reactions daily and don't seem to truly understand what it is like to win at ISU. I suppose if I was forced to make the decision, I certainly would not have fired him before the season ended, and I probably would have retained him for one more year. There were many practical reasons for doing so - lots of job openings nation wide to compete against, few available quality coaches, $4.5 million buyout, retaining talented players - etc.

Harder to calculate were the effects retaining him would have had on donations and tickets next year. Those practical effects needed to be accounted for as well, but are probably difficult and nebulous to measure. It would be interesting to know how many big boosters were calling on Pollard to act / threatening removal of support. My hunch is that he must have been receiving calls / texts / emails from people that matter. I guess if there were a ton of calls / texts / emails from people that matter, my decision may have changed if I was in Pollard's shoes. Ultimately, Pollard has a duty to act in ISU's athletic interest, but also a duty to follow the wishes of ISU's supporters to some extent.

Only time will tell how smart all these people calling for CPR's head right now are, but count me as one that would not have fired CPR this season. When you take an aggregate view of his tenure, it is pretty good by ISU standards.

Trust me, I have been questioning coaching decisions all season - like the 8 yard cushion while not blitzing which allows the opposing QB to sit back and pick apart our 30 yard zone, and the K-State series - but I just don't know if we can do much better at ISU. Hope I'm wrong.
 

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It's pathetic how much the culture of losing has sunk into this fan base.

Right on bro.........What choice does Jamie have...If he keeps a 3 win Rhoads another year, you will end up with 30,000 fans in a 60,000 seat football stadium.

That's a heck of a loss of money for the athletic budget...............It was either Rhoads goes or the fans stay home.

btw I have seen this movie before in the Criner/Walden eras where every year fewer and fewer fans showed up and bottomed out at about 30K sold tickets and some games late in the year looked like a spring football game....

Jamie had no choice and Paul Rhoads is a good man who time has past and Paul had to go.................
 

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In retrospect, there's no doubt, in my mind, this team had the talent to make a bowl game. Poor coaching prevented that from happening.

I like others have said, Rhoads is a good man but it's appearent he wasn't turning the corner.
 

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We should pay a heck of a lot of attention to what Lazard and Warren think.

No. Players are too close to the man to be objective. It's kind of like asking a kid if we should fire their dad or not. Of course they are going to be severely loyal (as they should.)

Some times the adults have to do the right thing.
 

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The only reason this would be a mistake is if Lazard and Warren leave. Even then, its only temporary. Coaches are a longer term investment than any player. If all the players return we will begin to see positive results next year.
 

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He had seven seasons to get the ball rolling and keep it rolling. If it hasn't happened by now it was never going to. Everyone wanted Rhoads to succeed but with every blown lead and mismanaged game it became more evident that it just wasn't going to happen. Time to move on, for better or worse. Like someone else posted in this thread, college football is big business. You have to win games; no other metric really matters.
 

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Even Navy and Northwestern have good years, with limited athletes. I never understood why ISU kept a coach who had a losing record.

What is the worst that can happen if you fire Rhodes? The team will lose more games? that's almost impossible.
There is nowhere to go but up.

Hell, LSU is firing Les Miles and 3 weeks ago he was 7-0 and ranked 2nd by the playoff committee. He's won a national title and has more 10 win seasons than Saban does at bama.

Could LSU do worse than Miles? Yes, but they may end up with a home run hire. There is always risk when you change coaches but ISU has far fewer risks than anyone else in the big 12 not named Kansas.

Not going to a bowl is just unacceptable. Not going in back-to-back years should signal a regime change. The Big 12 is brutal. WVU has found that out after steady 9-11 win seasons in the Big East. But ISU has great fans, and a good coach can win in Ames.

I do think you need a ball control offense to win in the big 12. DH was known as Mr air raid when he came to WVU. But WVU cant get as good of skill people as the Texas schools, and has found success pounding the rock. WVU is the 10th ranked rushing team in the nation. The transformation of DH's offense from air raid to 4 yards and a cloud of dust has had fairly good results.
 

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I wish the OP was right, and I am a CPR fan. Those first couple years, the big wins, it was fun. He is a passionate and good guy, but this was the right move.

Good luck to all the Coaches there is some talent there. Ayeni is prolly already had 20 calls, Blaney appointed himself well as did Stan Eggen. With Wally's history Shane should be OK. I imagine Wally will retire.
 

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I burst out laughing at this thread title, he has to go. I love the guy but i also love winning and hes not doing it and we cant make excuses for him any longer and continue to have hope its going to change.
 

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The reason I'm on board with the firing is because we had chances for 6-7 wins this year.

Toledo - Missed kick but horrible penalties, huge yardage advantage, not centering kick.
Iowa - Tied with 3 mins to go. Lead at halftime.
OSU - Led by 17. Scored 3 pts in the 2nd half.
K-State - Led by 21. Scored 0 pts in the 2nd half.

Win 3 of those 4 and we are bowling. I think an upgraded coach would have done just that.
 

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Sure, he wet the bed....

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Sure, he wet the bed... But he put the ball in the hands of our best players. He took us to three bowls, had one season where we were a 5 yard wide open pass away from bowling and this season where we were three bounces away from bowling. That is unprecedented in ISU history. Sure, we had two bad seasons. The players love the guy and we were vastly improved this season. Are we really going to find another guy who loves the school and is dedicated to the job? I think that they should have at least waited another week instead of the knee jerk reaction. I am equally not happy about the tweet from Mangino and hate to see him proved right. Just don't like the feel of this all around. We should pay a heck of a lot of attention to what Lazard and Warren think. I was really on the fire CPR bandwagon at one point this season. Now it just doesn't feel right to replace him.

ISU has a small margin for error. Recruiting high level talent is difficult. We need coaches who put us in a position to win. Sadly, more often than not, Rhoads put us in a position that cost us wins. Wins are tough to come by here. We can't afford a coach to cost us any.
 

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The reason I'm on board with the firing is because we had chances for 6-7 wins this year.

Toledo - Missed kick but horrible penalties, huge yardage advantage, not centering kick.
Iowa - Tied with 3 mins to go. Lead at halftime.
OSU - Led by 17. Scored 3 pts in the 2nd half.
K-State - Led by 21. Scored 0 pts in the 2nd half.

Win 3 of those 4 and we are bowling. I think an upgraded coach would have done just that.

Even if you split all of the 50-50 games over his tenure, how many more wins would that turn out to be? Probably enough to average 1 more win a season.
 

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Sure, he wet the bed... But he put the ball in the hands of our best players. He took us to three bowls, had one season where we were a 5 yard wide open pass away from bowling and this season where we were three bounces away from bowling. That is unprecedented in ISU history. Sure, we had two bad seasons. The players love the guy and we were vastly improved this season. Are we really going to find another guy who loves the school and is dedicated to the job? I think that they should have at least waited another week instead of the knee jerk reaction. I am equally not happy about the tweet from Mangino and hate to see him proved right. Just don't like the feel of this all around. We should pay a heck of a lot of attention to what Lazard and Warren think. I was really on the fire CPR bandwagon at one point this season. Now it just doesn't feel right to replace him.

Believe me.....MANY of us wanted this to work. I have had the pleasure of interacting with Paul on several occasions personally and professionally.....it hurts.....BUT, this is a "high risk/high reward" profession. Paul will be fine and could retire now....or go get another job. We ALL wanted him to be our Hayden Fry or whatever...but it didn't work out.
 

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Even if you split all of the 50-50 games over his tenure, how many more wins would that turn out to be? Probably enough to average 1 more win a season.

The last 2 years aside (those were horrible) and not many there. But I think we really turned the corner this year. Not only were we competitive but we played very, very well at home for the first time in years. We were in position to have a chance to win 7 games with the toughest schedule in the nation. Unfortunately we couldn't close the deal on any of those 4 games.

I think someone said Rhoads is 3-13 in games decided by 7 or less. If you split those 16 5-50, that's 5 more wins and I would bet Rhoads would be the head coach next year with 5 more wins over the years (especially with 3 more this year).