Watching on TV isn't as bad since other games are on but being at a game just kills any excitement in the crowd and makes momentum almost feel impossible.
F*** The Refs!
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Watching on TV isn't as bad since other games are on but being at a game just kills any excitement in the crowd and makes momentum almost feel impossible.
It’s not the same. Inside the upright means inside the entire upright. The NFL one is clear, like you mentioned. It can be above the upright as long as it doesn’t go outside the outer plane. However, the NFL uprights are 5 ft taller than the NCAA uprights, so it doesn’t comes into play as much.
It was called fair catch interference, and then it wasn't.
IMO, our blocker took on a hok gunner and tried to push him outside, but he mostly lost the battle. The gunner blew through the block and ran into our returner.
Seemed clear cut to my untrained eye.
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On further replay it hit our returner’s forearm first but he had already been interfered with. The blown call was that our player did not block him into our returner, refs were clearly wrong in that assessment.
Yep, and they replayed that call over and over on the board, and I never saw an angle that showed it hit our returner, as it went by his arm, and then hit the squawk defender in the leg. Its should have been a dead ball the moment that it hit his leg. Ball did not change its path or look like it had hit his arm. When you have to spend as long as they did to make a judgement call, then it's not obvious and should not be ruled like it is.
Did a little research on the punt return hold. It is important to determine if the hold was during the kick, or during the return:
1- During the kick -> "postscrimmage kick enforcement" (PSK) rules apply. 10 yards from the "end of the kick", which is where their returner caught the ball. Had their returner let it go, the end of the kick would be where we downed the ball.
2- During the return -> "spot for enforcement is the spot of the foul or the end of the run, whichever is more advantageous to the kicking team".
I think fans are mistakenly trying to apply "during the return" enforcement to this play. If the ref said "during the kick, holding on the receiving team", then they got it right.
Note: quotes in my post refer to the AI response generated by google when I searched for 'ncaa holding punt "end of the kick"'. I didn't actually dig through the rule book.
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1- During the kick -> "postscrimmage kick enforcement" (PSK) rules apply. 10 yards from the "end of the kick", which is where their returner caught the ball. Had their returner let it go, the end of the kick would be where we downed the ball.
2- During the return -> "spot for enforcement is the spot of the foul or the end of the run, whichever is more advantageous to the kicking team".
I think fans are mistakenly trying to apply "during the return" enforcement to this play. If the ref said "during the kick, holding on the receiving team", then they got it right.
Note: quotes in my post refer to the AI response generated by google when I searched for 'ncaa holding punt "end of the kick"'. I didn't actually dig through the rule book.
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Bottom line, most people don’t know the rules when it comes to something outside of the norm. 99 percent of the time that penalty gets accepted. The punt returner almost never loses yards on a return in the first place, let alone if their team was holding during the kick. That is what is throwing everyone off.
For anyone confused, think of it this way: If he would have returned it for positive yards and the call (during the kick, holding), would the penalty be enforced where he fielded the kick or where he was tackled after the return. On that call, it’s always from where the kick was fielded because punt coverage team didn’t have a fair shot at tackling the returner due to the hold.
sorry if someone already made this point, but when is football going to have a chip in the football? That should eliminate the human error on ball spotting.
No.
Some will 'dumb' or 'disagree' with this but a TV angle shows the ball barely grazing X's forearm area.
There wasn't evidence to overturn it as a dropped punt since it touched him.
After seeing the game.....and then re watching I am now convinced the head official was really Bill Snyder.
I always laugh when they bring out the chains. Like my dudes you are not placing the ball with inch level precision.
KidSilverhair
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I was on a high school chain gang one year, and yeah … ball spotting is very imprecise, and then the chains are set from the foot of the side official - who is remembering where the front of the ball is between the yard markers way off in the middle of the field anyway.
But you gotta have some system.
NFL this year has started using technology.
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I've watched the replay 100 times. What I see is that as the ball goes past his arm, X's hand moves and maybe you could say you see muscle/skin on his forearm "ripple". The thing I disagree about is that those things are clear evidence of the ball touching him. If you look at the totality of the movement you see that he was trying to grasp the ball in a hugging motion. What we see could be just him in the process of beginning that motion. I see no evidence of the ball changing spin or direction.
As someone else said, when you have to go to Zapruder level film analysis, you're well outside any clear evidence. Since the refs let it play out and Iowa recovered, you have to leave it called that way.
Annnnnd, all of that should be moot, because it was clearly catch interference. Our guy blocking did exactly as he should have and released his block yards before they got to the landing point of the punt. How the picked up the flag is the biggest mystery to me. The head ref announced that without even huddling up with the other refs.
I'm not going to look for it but it's in the broadcast in slow motion; the ball grazed X's arm and it was the first time it touched a player from either team.
There were some bad/non calls for sure that helped Iowa out but not everything has to put ISU as a victim.
It absolutely hit X. Barely, but it does graze him. the bigger issue is the picked up catch interference flag. X had no room to try and make that play
I just wish the holding calls would've gone both directions...
It’s really ridiculous vs how high tech offsides and goal reviews are in euro soccer.
