KidSilverhair
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Even if they did, making a fair catch signal on a kickoff and then not catching the ball is still extremely boneheaded.
F*** The Refs!
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It’s the CyHawk game so Iowa state automatically gets 14 points taken off the board. You can count on it every year.
It looked like miscommunication. The upman was in position to catch it and it looked Townsend called him off. Upman should always defer to main returner, but Townsend should have caught it.
Just speculation. Regardless of what happened, it was not great, obviously.
I disagree, it was pretty obvious Townsend didn't touch it. Enough evidence that I'm 99% sure. Nothing on him moved and the ball's spin/trajectory didn't change, because it didn't hit him, unless it defied the laws of physics. If that's not enough evidence to I return a call, then I don't know how you ever overturn anything. A ref can always convince himself there is a 1% chance what he's seeing is wrong, and therefore the call on the field has to stand.
At no point did the spin or trajectory of the ball change until it squarely struck the Iowa player. At that point it should have been downed, ISU ball, no? Multiple mistakes were made by the stripes. That’s what I saw.
why would Townsend even attempt to field the punt after being hit? odds are 500-1 of him catching a punt one handed. Then, after learning his lesson - don't field the ball if you can't catch it, he forgets that this rule doesn't apply to kickoffs. 2 total bonehead plays by the same person.
There wasn't enough evidence to dispute the original call.
It barely brushed his forearm in the slow motion.
Good on ISU to recover overall from that.
You can see it hit his hand/forearm in the angle from the back, 3:41 in the video @JUKEBOX posted you can see his arm/fingers shake as the ball goes by and clips it.
KidSilverhair
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Here’s the deal, if you have to break down the video like the Zapruder film to make a call one way or the other, you’ve already blown past the “clear and convincing evidence” standard of video review.
I would have been stunned if the replay crew had reversed the call from what was made on the field. There was nothing there to prove Townsend didn’t touch it. But likewise, if the call on the field was “it touched Iowa first, ISU ball” are you telling me that replay would have reversed the call to “Townsend touched it, Iowa ball”?
To quote Ron Burgundy, “I don’t believe you.”
And like I’ve been saying, Townsend shouldn’t have been trying to field that in the first place.
You just have to look at it, no advanced techniques required. It was the only angle that showed it hitting, but it’s there.
KidSilverhair
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I have to apologize, looks like you’re right. Watching the game and all the replays during the broadcast, I swear I didn’t see that little flutter of his hand. I was even specifically looking for that, but I was convinced it didn’t happen.
You’re right, it’s clear, you can see that little flutter as the ball brushes his arm. I still can’t explain how I didn’t see it during the original replays.
No apology necessary, I thought the same thing as the replay was happening. You basically had to focus on his fingers in that one particular camera angle and that was the only indicator.
The rule for the upman is to not go back to catch a kick. So he should have deferred to Townsend right away. The upman not deferring to townsend right away created confusion
Yeah I can live with that one because it was a clear ISU mistake, but I still think it was right review anyway.
The spot when we stuffed Gron on third down was atrocious. Spotting the ball is subjective, they did a bad job, then they can't review something so subjective...but it was obvious he didn't gain much if anything and that was basically the same as a turnover.
Let alone before that he backs over the pile of tackled ball after the whistle grabbing and pulling the Iowa State player of the ball pile which is a personal foul the other directions which is what most likely started the altercation.
Also had beautiful banana peel block not called on Iowa on one of drives at the end of game.
No excuse for 1 5 yards penalties missed by any crew.
Um that Iowa player was kind of pushed into Townsend.
IMO the P4 conferences should have a single pool of refs and they aren't dedicated to any one conference. Ideally, they would ref between 3 or 4 games for each of the 4 conferences over the 14 week regular season.
The muffed punt by Townsend, was one of those 50/50 calls. If the ruling on the field was Townsend didn't touch it, then I think ISU would have gotten the ball. I haven't seen if Townsend commented if he touched the ball. It looked like it might have touched his forearm area, but instead of contact was that the balls shadow?
Regardless, I don't know what Townsend was thinking. He tried to make a very difficult, lunging catch in traffic.
The muffed punt by Townsend, was one of those 50/50 calls. If the ruling on the field was Townsend didn't touch it, then I think ISU would have gotten the ball. I haven't seen if Townsend commented if he touched the ball. It looked like it might have touched his forearm area, but instead of contact was that the balls shadow?
Regardless, I don't know what Townsend was thinking. He tried to make a very difficult, lunging catch in traffic.
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How about the Iowa field goal? Announcers made it sound like that was questionable.
