Eddie Porter?

So when would you say a determination should be made on him? Next year? Sophomore QB or at least a second year QB. I don't think so. I think 5 years is enough but I would probably go with 6.
Sounds a lot like McD's tenure...
Depends on how much data one needs to make a decision. Some people are better at speculating than others.

It won't matter, for some reason some people always think that the OC is the person holding the program back. They're an easy target for people who don't understand football.

Things for you to understand about football:
-2nd to last in the conference in TOs
-last in pass efficiency
-2nd to last in 3rd down conversions
-last in red-zone offense
-2nd to last in ppg


I would think even someone of your football intellect would understand the offense is not performing to the level ISU needs it to.
 
Either way my point was not to show he is a good coach. I merely wanted to show he is not inflexible to change his offense based on his personnel.
 
Sounds a lot like McD's tenure...
Depends on how much data one needs to make a decision. Some people are better at speculating than others.



Things for you to understand about football:
-2nd to last in the conference in TOs
-last in pass efficiency
-2nd to last in 3rd down conversions
-last in red-zone offense
-2nd to last in ppg


I would think even someone of your football intellect would understand the offense is not performing to the level ISU needs it to.

Our first string RB is injured along with having a new QB and switching QB's midseason. I call the offense successful.
 
Sorry to take the conversation off of Herman and back onto the potential MLB recruit we may have just snagged, but...

I agree. I don't want to hype them too much, either. But I'm not saying that 2-3 years from now, all these guys are going to be stars. What I'm saying is that 2-3 years from now, I hope we will look back to these recruits and see that they became the backbone of a defensive unit that allows us to hold our own against the best of the Big 12, and get to that 7-9 win consistency that we all are hoping for.

This makes tons of sense to me, we seem to be getting guys who look the part more this year which helps us out from a physical development stand point. These players don't have to sit in the bench with the exclusive job of hitting the weights during the week. Sure they will have to gain strength and so-on but they may be able to contribute more immediately.

Reread my post. By not excusing Herman's performance with "he is doing the best he can with what one could expect him to get at ISU" I am doing exactly the opposite your accusation.

I am suggesting that Herman's ability to get players does not appreciably change coming off of 2-10 or 5-7. Year 1 you sell PT and hope. Year 3 you sell progress and I suppose results (although I am not sure 5-7 is much different than 2-10 to a 17 year-old in Texas/Florida).

I'm pretty after year 3 you sell Paul f'ing Rhoads pretty hard. He has been getting ISU free marketing for a while now. Not sure if there are too many kids out there playing high school ball anywhere who don't know who Paul Rhoads is.
 
So when would you say a determination should be made on him? Next year? Sophomore QB or at least a second year QB. I don't think so. I think 5 years is enough but I would probably go with 6.

6 years is a ridiculously long amount of time to make a determination on a coordinator.
 
Can you quantify the effect turnovers have had on our scoring this year? My guess: around 6-7 points/game. A lot of our turnovers were also due to inexperience. The offense this year is light years more effective than last year's was. I expect a huge jump next year in scoring because of the added experience.

I believe one turnover results in approximately 3 and half ppg loss, but that may be an NFL stat. Can't recall clearly. Maybe Khaal is around to help us with that?
 
Sounds a lot like McD's tenure...
Depends on how much data one needs to make a decision. Some people are better at speculating than others.

Basketball and football are two completely different things, especially in terms of how long it takes. First, you have about 4 times as many players to all play together not counting injuries which are more prevalent in football. Second, you need to develop kids for much longer to get them ready


Things for you to understand about football:
-2nd to last in the conference in TOs
-last in pass efficiency
-2nd to last in 3rd down conversions
-last in red-zone offense
-2nd to last in ppg


I would think even someone of your football intellect would understand the offense is not performing to the level ISU needs it to.

Please show me where I said the last one? Again, first year D-1 QBs which should be expected in year 3 and ISU. There is also a pretty inexperienced Oline, young RBs and new receivers just scratching the surface. You also have to realize we play in the best offense league in the country so rankings may or may not be a good measuring stick for Tom Herman.
 
6 years is a ridiculously long amount of time to make a determination on a coordinator.

I don't think so. Not with a complete system overhaul and a tough place to recruit to. If we just look at the QB position which is, a lot of times an offenses limiting factor:

Year 1-Staff scrambles and takes Capello
Year 2-You get Barnett, he redshirts
Year 3-Barnett is your starter mid way through the season, Richarson RSing
Year 4-You are still starting a 2nd year QB, perhaps a sophomore
Year 5-This should probably be a year you need to see results
Year 6- Profit
 
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Basketball and football are two completely different things, especially in terms of how long it takes.
I never claimed otherwise.
There were always plausible explanations to McD's annual lack of success. Hopefully the same will not be said about Herman in Year Y.


Please show me where I said the last one? Again, first year D-1 QBs which should be expected in year 3 and ISU. There is also a pretty inexperienced Oline, young RBs and new receivers just scratching the surface. You also have to realize we play in the best offense league in the country so rankings may or may not be a good measuring stick for Tom Herman.

You have multiple monikers?
I disagree about the lack of returning experience at positions other than QB. You are always going to be replacing starters.
 
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Sounds a lot like McD's tenure...
Depends on how much data one needs to make a decision. Some people are better at speculating than others.



Things for you to understand about football:
-2nd to last in the conference in TOs
-last in pass efficiency
-2nd to last in 3rd down conversions
-last in red-zone offense
-2nd to last in ppg


I would think even someone of your football intellect would understand the offense is not performing to the level ISU needs it to.

Things to take into consideration...

How many schools would Josh Lenz be a starting WR for?
How many schools would Jared Barnett be a starting QB for?
How many schools would Tom Farniok be the starting center for?
How many schools would Jeff Woody get carries at RB for?

I am not knocking any of these players at all. Just saying that we are starting players at some key positions on offense that would be battling for walkon spots on the scout team at Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, etc.... Try keeping that in mind. ISU isn't going to out-talent anybody in the Big XII Conference at the moment. With that being said for ISU's offense to be successful they have to be creative, resort to tricking defenses from time to time, fast paced to hopefully wear out a defense, they also need to be able to confuse defenses at times, and most importantly they have to have very precise execution if they are going to be consistently successful against defenses that are bigger, stronger, and faster.

Example... Against Texas, Oklahoma had one drive where they had several offensive penalties in the red zone which pushed them back to having a 3rd & 25. All OU did was line up 5 wide, snap the ball to their Heisman Trophy candidate QB who then feathered a beautiful spiral down the sideline to their Biletnikoff Award candidate WR who jumped between 2 defenders double covering him and snagged the ball for a touchdown.

Unfortunately... Iowa State doesn't have that luxury at this time. When ISU makes mistakes it shows. We don't have the talent yet to erase mistakes like that. At OU those mistakes are nothing more then a momentary delay to the inevitable scoring drive they are on while at ISU those mistakes are called drive killers. Huge difference.
 
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I don't think so. Not with a complete system overhaul and a tough place to recruit to. If we just look at the QB position which is, a lot of times an offenses limiting factor:

Year 1-Staff scrambles and takes Capello
Year 2-You get Barnett, he redshirts
Year 3-Barnett is your starter mid way through the season, Richarson RSing
Year 4-You are still starting a 2nd year QB, perhaps a sophomore
Year 5-This should probably be a year you need to see results
Year 6- Profit

Good stuff. Not to mention, teams generally have the most success when the schedule aligns in their favor. Having one of the most difficult schedules in the country the past two years does not help at all.

If you want, go back and look at the 2009 ISU football schedule. we would destroy it with this years team if our opponents were the 2009 teams. I'd even say 10-2.

and he has just tweeted that he is now a cyclone.

Eddie Porter
@eddyward41-I am a cyclone now !!

:yes:
 
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