Eddie Porter?
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He is playing behind perhaps the best set of linebackers in the conference. MT has been greatly underrated this year. The guy is a run stopping machine.
I do agree that is why he is not playing much. It sucks for him that Knott and Klein have motors that go all game and dont slow down.
I thought he was a MLB? Maybe i'm wrong but if thats the case, it doesn't seem like the staff has much confidence in him bringing in Porter. I know you don't want to miss out on the #1 rated JUCO linebacker in the nation....But I don't know. Hopefully George comes around.
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I agree. I don't want to hype them too much, either. But I'm not saying that 2-3 years from now, all these guys are going to be stars. What I'm saying is that 2-3 years from now, I hope we will look back to these recruits and see that they became the backbone of a defensive unit that allows us to hold our own against the best of the Big 12, and get to that 7-9 win consistency that we all are hoping for.
Bowl practices will be big for all the young players. I'm excited what that can do for our quarterbacks. Bowl practice should give them a chance to get a lot of reps in this offense. It can allow the coaces to spend some time improving the team rather than preparing for the next opponent.
Hopefully the coaches get the young offensive linemen and receivers a lot of reps.
I agree! Sure, this is his 3rd year, but honestly, unless you're one of the top programs in the country, you don't waltz into (Iowa state) and start hand-picking the best players or the exact players that fit perfectly into your system.
People keep saying tom herman has "his guys" now with barnett, jantz, etc. When in actuality, jared was just the best QB that wanted to come to a 2-10 Iowa state team back in 2009. Don't you think tom would have liked to pick up cam newton??
Check list:
Fix immediate needs
Bring in players that fit your system
Bring in the best talent possible
just because you've been here 3 years doesn't mean all of that becomes easy.
This is a common practice in college football. You recruit over some of your current players. Jerome Tiller was going to be our starting QB this season but the staff identified a JUCO QB they thought was as good or better then Tiller so they offered and signed him. George has talent and has the potential to be a great LB for ISU but that doesn't mean the staff is not going to go out and try to bring in somebody better then him. If a staff isn't always looking for the next guy that is "better" then what you currently have at any number of positions then the chances of that program improving or in ISU's case continuing to improve is slim to none.
Example... Josh Lenz. Love that kid. Love his effort, love his ability, love his heart, etc... but if you don't think that CPR and his staff have been trying to recruit and bring in receivers with more talent that would send Josh to the bench you are crazy.
If ISU's offense needs Cam Newton level players, or anywhere near that level of players, to not be last in the Big 12 in offense, then we have the wrong offensive coordinator.
Taking that further, development lag aside, if it takes more than 3 years to find the right type of players to fit your system (and thus have at least 3 years of bad B12 offenses):
a.) Why go with that system?
b.) Is it going to always be only finding the right type of player 33% of the time? Does not bode well for the future of the offense
Recruiting is anything but a science. Recruits fail to pan out and walk-on's continue to surprise at every program. Coaches have to continually be attracting guy that fit their needs both physically and in terms of team chemistry. Also, don't undersell the importance of player development in this as well.
It's easy for fans to sit back and evaluate players with little stars and look at 40 times and verticals and make all kinds of assumptions, but this is a complex process. Coach Rhoads is doing a good job in all areas. He's demonstrated this season that he is willing to make adjustments as well.
The staff has done a fantastic job with what they were handed and hopefully they can build on that success.
It's easy for fans to sit back and evaluate players with little stars and look at 40 times and verticals and make all kinds of assumptions, but this is a complex process. Coach Rhoads is doing a good job in all areas. He's demonstrated this season that he is willing to make adjustments as well.
The staff has done a fantastic job with what they were handed and hopefully they can build on that success.
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Holy Miss The Point, Batman. That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the caliber of player available to a 2-10 ISU team with a brand new coaching staff is not the same as the caliber of player available now. Recruiting will never be easy for ISU, but it's likely much easier, now, than it was when CPR took over, considering the state of the program at the time.
No he doesn't. He has 1 sack this year and that was week 2 against the Hawks.
Our defense is great against the run up the middle. We are weak off tackle. Any ideas why?
The point IMO that the guy was trying to make is that it is a hell of a lot easier to recruit the higher caliber kids you want at certain positions when the results on the field you are selling to them is better.
Coming off the Chizik trainwreck we had won 5 games in 2 years. Now in year 3 of the CPR staff ISU has won 18 games with 2 more opportunities for wins yet this year and 2 bowl appearances to their credit.
Is it easier to recruit and get the kids you really want to sign selling a 5-19 record the previous two seasons under the old staff or selling potentially 20 wins and 2 bowl games in a 3 year stretch under the new staff? I would think it is much easier for the staff to get in a recruits ear based on their results the last 3 years then it was when they just took over the ship that Chizik self destructed.
No, I got that point. I am making the point his example did not prove his point. Don't you think almost any offensive coordinator, regardless of being 2-10 or 10-2 , Year 1 or Year 10, could suggest their offense would be better if they could have gotten better players? Herman, or any OC, will always be faced with trying to succeed with "the best QB that wanted to come". If your offense does not perform well with those that are willing to come, you either have the wrong offense or are not a skillful enough recruiter. Save the woe is ISU, I do not believe it was predetermined before Herman was hired that ISU would be this poor on offense.
At ISU, regardless of the previous year being 2-10 or 5-7, the quality of recruits does not appreciably change.
Development lag aside, if it takes more than 3 years to find the right type of players to not have the second worst offense in the Big 12, is that the optimal system to go with?
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