Conference Realignment
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Apart from the near implosion of the Big12 and Missouri off to the SEC a few years back, AND the circa 1860's Jayhawker-Misssouri feud, what would be holding it back? The re-addition of Missouri to Big 12 (provided they wanted to)?
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Yeah I didn't know one way or other. Just throwing it out their due to proximity.
They could (Minny) perhaps benefit from a new location/conference? They like us are improving in football, in times past very relevant in bb, large metro area, recruiting ground. ISU wouldn't be most Northern School any more, yada yada.
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KidSilverhair
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Except that's not a conference. That's two conferences with a potential end-of-season CFP qualifier agreement.
Ooh- that's hard for me. Here goes:
BYU has a rich football history, Salt Lake City television market, and a loyal fanbase. They aspire to belong at the Power 5 level and would have no problem being competitive in the Big 12. BYU was previously considered when the Big 8 originally expanded to 12. Geographically it would have made sense at the time as they would have been neighbors with Colorado. Pretty sure they'd jump at the opportunity even if it was football only.
And they have a big stadium.
We know you wouldn't. Your b*tchy state rival on the other hand...
And why would we/they (BYU) want to be in Big 12 in football only again? Is it the Sunday thing with their religion or something else?
There is no name I could give you that would be roundly supported. In fact, whatever I suggest will get blasted. And there is also no name that exists that is as absurd as a numeric name with FEWER teams in it than that number. As stupid as Leaders & Legends is it would still be better than Big 12 (errrrrrrr, 10).
Conference of American Universities (CAU) "The Conference", as in THE conference.
Something directional / regional is not advised unless you have something cool for your name, Pacific Ocean (Pac 12), Atlantic Ocean (ACC), even mountains (Mountain West). That said, Big West is still better than Big 12 if it's ten teams.
And to clarify, I really like the name Big 12 if it includes 12 teams. My dream scenario is poach two legit P5 teams and keep the name and logo which I also really like.
BYU seems like it would be a huge diva/ego addition. We already have two of those in our conference. We don’t need another.
We need two more teams and get back to divisions. Want to see 4 non conference games like the early 2000. If Nebraska and Missouri wants to cam back that would be fine.
I like ten teams and would be fine sticking with it but I agree...something is really perfect with (2) six team divisions playing a legit championship game. I liked our mini Big 8 we had in those days.
Ok, I dont know if or when anything will happen, but one thing I have thought about especially after the Knight Commission Review this is something I could see.
The Big 12 and the Pac 12 could merge in some way. The big 12 could pick off 2 to 4 teams from the Pac 12. I dont see the Big 12 adding G5 teams, they will stay at 10 because G5 teams do not add enough value to go above 10 teams.
But one interesting thing, with this new Knight review:
Say a new governing board is developed.
They decide to go to 4 power conferences, of about 16, with pods or divisions
Those 4 conference championships is considered the first round of the playoff, others continue to get bowl bids.
Now with this they conferences work together with the new manager to come up with the best solution with the least amount of movement.
This is just an example but could go something like this.
B1G gives Rutgers to ACC
Big 12 gives WVU to ACC
Big 12 gives ISU, KU, KSU to B1G
Big 12 Gives OK, OKSt to SEC
Rest of Big 12 AND Pac 12 merge.
Or CO could go from the Pac12 to B1G and move some others around.
I believe some of the TX schools are a package deal because of state legislatures, Same with KU and KSU, and OK and OKSt.
I dont think KSU is up to B1Gs requirements though. Dont dislike me, this is just a theory, I think this is a long shot, but I could see something like this as a possibility.
A lot is going to depend on what these next rounds of negotiations with all the streaming available and coming out of the pandemic situation looks like. And what the Big 12 expects, as I think we are the first conference up for negotiations and our GOR is set to expire in a couple years.
The Big 12 and the Pac 12 could merge in some way. The big 12 could pick off 2 to 4 teams from the Pac 12. I dont see the Big 12 adding G5 teams, they will stay at 10 because G5 teams do not add enough value to go above 10 teams.
But one interesting thing, with this new Knight review:
Say a new governing board is developed.
They decide to go to 4 power conferences, of about 16, with pods or divisions
Those 4 conference championships is considered the first round of the playoff, others continue to get bowl bids.
Now with this they conferences work together with the new manager to come up with the best solution with the least amount of movement.
This is just an example but could go something like this.
B1G gives Rutgers to ACC
Big 12 gives WVU to ACC
Big 12 gives ISU, KU, KSU to B1G
Big 12 Gives OK, OKSt to SEC
Rest of Big 12 AND Pac 12 merge.
Or CO could go from the Pac12 to B1G and move some others around.
I believe some of the TX schools are a package deal because of state legislatures, Same with KU and KSU, and OK and OKSt.
I dont think KSU is up to B1Gs requirements though. Dont dislike me, this is just a theory, I think this is a long shot, but I could see something like this as a possibility.
A lot is going to depend on what these next rounds of negotiations with all the streaming available and coming out of the pandemic situation looks like. And what the Big 12 expects, as I think we are the first conference up for negotiations and our GOR is set to expire in a couple years.
...Haha, true that! This board is simply amazing.
Yes and all of this I'm sure they thought of when they finally got to 10. No good answer. Keep it at Big 12, especially now while things are still in flux.
BYU would be just as good as the Arizona teams in most ways. Logistics, ability to compete, and all the numbers are fine. Even no play on Sundays is fine.
Some of the cultural fit things are a legit question mark though. I don't think Ejim flipped the bird and got ejected for no good reason in that game if you get my drift.
During first round of realignment Pac teams weren't an option. If we expanded again 2 of AZ/ASU/BYU would make most sense now that Pac seems to be the least lucrative $ per team. There was a time Louisville made some sense but it came and went. Cincy is probably next best available after those three mountain time zone programs. Cincy in a real football conference could actually build quite a program long term and hoops is obvious. They could potentially make up for 1/12 of pot they reduce, high population state in region of sports fans as well.
I think 10 is fine but there really is a perception issue with fewer teams. It's always expected that our 10 must achieve the same or more than the other leagues that have 14 or 15 teams. It's idiotic but it will always be the case.
Like how Prince was the artist formerly known as Prince...then for a time he was just "The Artist".
