Want: Drake coach, or Fred.
Dreaming of: Matt Painter / Sampson / Oats (Michigan connections).
Think: T.J.
Not want: T.J.
Dreaming of: Matt Painter / Sampson / Oats (Michigan connections).
Think: T.J.
Not want: T.J.
Coaching Search: Place your bets
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Actually that isn't using similar logic. After Greg's tenure, ISU took a chance on a guy with zero coaching experience. Not zero college experience, zero coaching experience whatsoever. It was a moonshot. and it worked but it wasn't some great coaching hire at the time.
gunner at his time at SDSU do you Have any updates to how his recruits fared during or after his 3 years?
Only if “best we could get” is determined solely on the resume on day of the announced hire. Which is a odd way to measure best hires.
Would you want an AD to hire based on what they thought would be viewed as the best on Day 1, or what they think will be the best at the end their tenure? . I think we can all agree you don’t hire for what they’ve done, but rather what you think they will do. For those not in the room, we only have resumes to base it on. That’s why hiring is so imperfect for even top ADs with endless cash.
But continuing with your view, do you really believe we couldn’t have hired a better resume than Hoiberg? No, we could have, he was just viewed as a better hire. And he was as good as hire as we could make.
Prohm was not the best hire we could have made in 2015 under any definition except under the assumption every hire is the AD getting the best attainable. Which relies on the flawed thinking the AD perfectly knows which are the best and goes down the list until he gets a “yes”.
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fared in what? Their insurance and car sales careers after graduating? It’s SDSU, who cares?
I'm not going to suggest that I have a good idea who will work out. Just thankful for a change and some hope. If Fred were actually able to work out, would be hard to turn that down. If not, just based on the very little - VERY little, to stress - that I've seen, I'd hope we look hard at Smith and Devries.
I realize TJ is probably at higher odds to get the job, but for those trumpeting him, if you step back, how can you really be passionate about him v. what we got in Prohm? I see some who suggest concerns about TJ be tossed aside, while at the same time arguing that similar concerns made it obvious why Prohm shouldn't have been hired -- e.g., success following very successful coach w/ stacked roster, what has he done on his own, easy explanations for current roster make-up in year 2/3, questionable re: Xs & Os but excellent recruiter...? Does it come down to the fact that he's more of a known in Ames, seems to really like ISU, has a wife who was a legendary player for ISU, and has a lot of experience as P6 asst? Maybe the MW recruiting connections?
Not trying to flame against TJ. And, this is not an argument for Prohm - he clearly needs to go. Just trying to understand why you think TJ is clearly so much better than what we hired in Prohm (at that time). Will definitely support TJ if hired; just trying to figure out the "would be a great hire" angle some are taking on him.
I realize TJ is probably at higher odds to get the job, but for those trumpeting him, if you step back, how can you really be passionate about him v. what we got in Prohm? I see some who suggest concerns about TJ be tossed aside, while at the same time arguing that similar concerns made it obvious why Prohm shouldn't have been hired -- e.g., success following very successful coach w/ stacked roster, what has he done on his own, easy explanations for current roster make-up in year 2/3, questionable re: Xs & Os but excellent recruiter...? Does it come down to the fact that he's more of a known in Ames, seems to really like ISU, has a wife who was a legendary player for ISU, and has a lot of experience as P6 asst? Maybe the MW recruiting connections?
Not trying to flame against TJ. And, this is not an argument for Prohm - he clearly needs to go. Just trying to understand why you think TJ is clearly so much better than what we hired in Prohm (at that time). Will definitely support TJ if hired; just trying to figure out the "would be a great hire" angle some are taking on him.
Guess we disagree on "home run hire". Fred's coaching record at Nebraska is 14-44. His coaching record at the Bulls was 115-55. Not sure how those numbers translate to "home run hire".
Fred was great at ISU, no one will debate that. But the college game has changed a lot in 7 years since he was here. I think he is just as much of a crap shoot as some of the other names being tossed around.
See the above post. Prohm had a much weaker resume than TJ does. That is just a fact. Will TJ be successful at Iowa State I think he would, but I can see preferring another option. What I just don't understand is why people think that they are really close in their resume's pre Iowa State.
Because CF has a weird hard on for HV experience. Even if it’s at a large HS like Murray St.
What have you seen from T.J. at UNLV to make you think he should be Prohm’s replacement? Much better candidates are out there.
He’s been an assistant here, that’s it. That’s the reason.
Id be shocked if there were any other P6 school fan bases clamoring for TJ.
That’s it. He might be the best choice but don’t put lipstick on a pig. He’s getting it because he made the right connections while here.
It’s what he did here as an assistant. Which is get us some of the best players we’ve ever had. I don’t know why people have to be pedantic ******** about everything.
It’s important for getting the job. I’m not sure it’s important for success.
