Coach Campbell
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Its probably a slight step up. I mean if he can do it here, he can do it there (though one might say maybe this program is more built to gain an advantage by doing something a little different in the big 12 than if it were in the big 10). That being said, is it a big enough step up to deal with the situation theyre in, and the expectations they have?
5 Tom Herman Texas Big 12 $5,250,000
18 Gary Patterson TCU Big 12 $4,014,723
21 Mike Gundy Oklahoma St Big 12 $3,775,000
30 Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech Big 12 $3,306,575
35 Bill Snyder Kansas St Big 12 $3,106,000
37 Lincoln Riley Oklahoma Big 12 $3,100,000
39 Dana Holgorsen West Virginia Big 12 $2,980,000
57 Matt Campbell Iowa St Big 12 $2,000,000
88 David Beaty Kansas Big 12 $801,109
127 Matt Rhule Baylor Big 12 N/A
Current pay for Big12 coaches. I think pay him 3 mil a yr, 250k for a bowl (6wins), up that to 500k for 9 wins (never done that in reg season) 750k for 10+ wins, (each tier cancels out the other, not collecting both or all) 1mil for a Big12 championship. puts him anywhere from 7th for sub par season to 3rd for championship.
18 Gary Patterson TCU Big 12 $4,014,723
21 Mike Gundy Oklahoma St Big 12 $3,775,000
30 Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech Big 12 $3,306,575
35 Bill Snyder Kansas St Big 12 $3,106,000
37 Lincoln Riley Oklahoma Big 12 $3,100,000
39 Dana Holgorsen West Virginia Big 12 $2,980,000
57 Matt Campbell Iowa St Big 12 $2,000,000
88 David Beaty Kansas Big 12 $801,109
127 Matt Rhule Baylor Big 12 N/A
Current pay for Big12 coaches. I think pay him 3 mil a yr, 250k for a bowl (6wins), up that to 500k for 9 wins (never done that in reg season) 750k for 10+ wins, (each tier cancels out the other, not collecting both or all) 1mil for a Big12 championship. puts him anywhere from 7th for sub par season to 3rd for championship.
Just as a side note Ferentz gets paid $4.5 mill plus 2.9 mill in bonuses. ISU needs to do better, I realize it's a gamble after only a year or 2 but you have to pay what the going rate is for a top 25 coach or be happy with mediocre coaches and teams at best. Those Big 12 salaries also have huge bonuses and incentives on top of them.
I posted this on the Herbstreit thread, but since they are practically the same I'll post it here too.
Why doesn't anyone think we could pay him enough to stay? We absolutely could. If Iowa can pay as much as they do for a Ferentz, we could/should do the same. Also, would a coach want to leave for a 3 year $18 million contract, get fired for not living up to unrealistic expectations, and end up like a Charlie Weiss or stay at a place like ISU with security build up your salary to eventually $5-6 million over 15-20 years? Do the math option 1=$18 million and bad rep, option 2= about $60-75 millionish (depending on how the salary builds), a great reputation with a possible cfb hof induction, a possible field named after you. (I know, this sounds like a second coming of Bill Snyder) Just think, playing on Campbell field at JTS. I'm not saying it will happen, but it has a better chance of happening here than at LSU, Notre Dame, or Tennessee. CMC seems like a guy that is interested in more than just money to me.
Why doesn't anyone think we could pay him enough to stay? We absolutely could. If Iowa can pay as much as they do for a Ferentz, we could/should do the same. Also, would a coach want to leave for a 3 year $18 million contract, get fired for not living up to unrealistic expectations, and end up like a Charlie Weiss or stay at a place like ISU with security build up your salary to eventually $5-6 million over 15-20 years? Do the math option 1=$18 million and bad rep, option 2= about $60-75 millionish (depending on how the salary builds), a great reputation with a possible cfb hof induction, a possible field named after you. (I know, this sounds like a second coming of Bill Snyder) Just think, playing on Campbell field at JTS. I'm not saying it will happen, but it has a better chance of happening here than at LSU, Notre Dame, or Tennessee. CMC seems like a guy that is interested in more than just money to me.
I won't tell Pollard what to do, but i think looking at the raw numbers can be misleading sometimes.
Jamie will undoubtedly discuss with Campbell what his feelings are and what he needs to feel satisfied with his position. Its entirely possible he goes the same route as Rhoads if Campbell is happy with it, offering years instead of upfront money. If **** goes downhill later he still gets the same amount after the buyout as if we offered him a shorter yet higher per-year contract, but if **** goes well it is more financially workable (and hopefully would generate the revenue for per-year increases down the road). Hell, he could say 'pay my assistants enough to keep them here'. None of us knows what he really wants, and its up to Jamie to figure that out.
I don't think Campbell is wired the way most people assume he is. I don't think it's all about money for him. I think it's about opportunity. He saw something in Iowa State when he visited here with his Toledo team and thought he could build something here. And if I remember correctly, Campbell said he accepted the job with JP on a handshake without even talking contract or money. It's opportunity that drives him. He has a P5 school where he can completely change the culture and build something his own way with quite a bit of patience from the administration and fans. I doubt he leaves unless it's for another opportunity he sees as better. It won't be money.
That could also be a bad thing too if all he wants is opportunity. That's kind of how Fred was. I don't think it mattered how much JP offered to pay him, he wanted that "opportunity" in the NBA. So what if CMC just wants the "opportunity" to coach at a BIG time program?
Then there is literally nothing we can do. Might as well enjoy the ride right?
The Cyclones could never play in the NBA. The Cyclones could be built into a bigger program in the NCAA football world.
If coach wants to sign on to the NFL....well....then we wish him the best
I think we also have to consider what it's going to take for Prohm, Fennelly, and Dresser to stay as well.
Everyone complained that JP didn't care enough about wrestling, so he went out and paid what it took to land Dresser, as well as the assistants too. And Prohm has done amazingly well too in coaching by far our most successful program to date, and he'll be needing more money too here eventually.
You can't ever look at anything on an island. I'd say we can't afford to lose Prohm right now either. Dresser and Fennelly I guess wouldn't be as important as those programs don't make money.
It's one of those deals though where football pays almost all the bills, so in order to afford Prohm, we might have to keep CMC because without football doing well we won't have the money to pay everyone else. It's a very tough thing to balance for JP.
Everyone complained that JP didn't care enough about wrestling, so he went out and paid what it took to land Dresser, as well as the assistants too. And Prohm has done amazingly well too in coaching by far our most successful program to date, and he'll be needing more money too here eventually.
You can't ever look at anything on an island. I'd say we can't afford to lose Prohm right now either. Dresser and Fennelly I guess wouldn't be as important as those programs don't make money.
It's one of those deals though where football pays almost all the bills, so in order to afford Prohm, we might have to keep CMC because without football doing well we won't have the money to pay everyone else. It's a very tough thing to balance for JP.
When you make almost a $1 million a year, the balancing act is usually very hard!!
I doubt we have to worry all that much about Bill Fennelly. He's a lifer here.
I actually believe that Matt Campbell is sold on that. Yes, pay Campbell and his staff well. I trust JP to come up with a package and incentives for Campbell and his assistants that will be satisfactory to all.
The next 3 weeks will be some tough games.
lol tech is really paying Kingsbury that much. He doesn't even have a winning record in 5 seasons
Campbell isn't thinking about this one bit right now. He's watching film and prepping this team for TCU. We don't have to wring our hands. JP knows what to do.
Literally impossible to match what Cael and KJ got, and ISU is not in the NBA. Pollard is deserving of criticism at times but I don't think this is one.
Failed? The opposite.
In regards to KJ and Cael you don’t break your budget paying associates in non-revenue generating departments. Thank goodness he didn’t overpay for two coaches in sports that don’t make money. We wouldn’t have a chance to retain quality MBB and FB coaches with dumb ass moves like that.
In regards to Fred the pay isn’t the issue when the associate leaves for a position you don’t have at the company.
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