Chris Allen?
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I'm sure Chris was just repeating what the staff was telling him. If Chris was wrong than Fred was wrong.
Hes a decent scorer. You are right he has never in hs collegiate career shot well from 3.
We got what we expected. Just look at the numbers.
Allen is a decent scorer and a decent ball handler. We don't have anyone else eligible who can do what he does for us. He had a very bad night last night, particularly at the line. It's probably gonna happen again, but we just don't have any other option. I'm still hopeful that those bad games may be balanced out by a couple games where he is shooting lights out and is able to carry the team like he so often tries to do.
So far I don't get the hype going into the season about Allen. Some thought he might be the best of the 4 transfers, so far I think I'd rank Royce 1st, Babb a distant 2nd and Allen and even more distant 3rd. Seems like he's a ballhog at times with poor shot selection. Starts to make you wonder about what his issue at MSU was about, might have been something with him not being a good team player?
He missed 1 front end in the first half which would be nbd, but the 2 misses at the start of the 2nd half following Royce's 2 misses hurt.
16:02 8-9 IAST Chris Allen made 1st of 2 Free Throws
16:02 8-9 IAST Chris Allen missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
7:33 18-19 IAST Chris Allen missed Free Throw
Halftime
19:50 MO Shooting foul on Kim English
19:50 36-38 IAST Royce White missed 1st of 2 Free Throws
19:50 36-38 IAST Royce White missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
19:50 IAST Offensive Rebound by Melvin 19:50
19:28 MO Shooting foul on Kim English
19:28 36-38 IAST Chris Allen missed 1st of 2 Free Throws
19:28 36-38 IAST Chris Allen missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
He was the #33 recruit in his class. 5th at his position in the nation. He started at Michigan State and played in 2 final fours. Just guessing that might be why there was some hype surrounding him.
He averages 2.1 TOs a game. Last year DG averaged 3.3. Stinson averaged 3.4 his last year and Blalock 2.9. Tinsley averaged 4 in 2 years at ISU.
Allen has definitely not lived up to the hype although he's not as bad as some people make him out to be. He's the type of player you have to take the bad with the good and that probably won't change. The bottom line is this team cannot be successful without his play. He is our best PG and driver. He is a good free throw shooter and an above average defender. If he can ever find that middle ground between creating his own shot and ballhogging, this team could reach its full potential. He has been better but last night was a step back in that regard. Hopefully the coaches can get him back on the right path.
Don't give up on Allen just yet. He has horrible shot selection at times and he had a terrible night at the line last night but he has been in the upper 70s from the line for his career. I agree that he is a frustrating player to watch because of the forced shots especially with 30 seconds left on the shot clock.
When I'm watching him I'm having flashbacks of Mike Taylor from the 2006-2007 season. Taylor would throw up some horrible shots but he would make a some of them every once in a while. He also carried the team on his back at times. He was one of the few people who could create off the dribble and that was often a reason for the bad shots. This is very similar to Allen on this years team.
Allen still has 1/2 of the season and is adjusting to a role that he hasn't had in the past. At MSU he was more of a role player and wasn't one of the top scorers on the team. I think he'll get hot one of these big games and carry the team on his back. He has stepped up in some huge games in the past so we know that he can do it.
When I'm watching him I'm having flashbacks of Mike Taylor from the 2006-2007 season. Taylor would throw up some horrible shots but he would make a some of them every once in a while. He also carried the team on his back at times. He was one of the few people who could create off the dribble and that was often a reason for the bad shots. This is very similar to Allen on this years team.
Allen still has 1/2 of the season and is adjusting to a role that he hasn't had in the past. At MSU he was more of a role player and wasn't one of the top scorers on the team. I think he'll get hot one of these big games and carry the team on his back. He has stepped up in some huge games in the past so we know that he can do it.
I never investigated his stats from MSU much, I just kept hearing that he was a "shooter", which to me implies that he's a fairly above average 3 point shooter. Mike Nurse was a shooter. Mike Taylor was a shooter. Scotty is a shooter. Babb is a shooter.
I like some of the things Allen does, but when I hear "shooter" Allen's game is not what comes to mind.
When you define it that way, I agree.
Allen can shoot — he has a good enough shot to fill the role of "shooter" in the Nurse/Babb (I would add Sullivan to that list) but I don't necessarily think it's his mojo.
He's like a 1.5 guard. He seems better suited as PG, but his instinct is SG.
Allen is one of those players who would be a dynamo if he could create shots for a clone of himself.
ISU doesn't have a point guard. Royce White brings the ball up more than anyone. People need to get over this point guard crap.
