Caleb Grill has been dismissed from team

[CloneIce]

Sure. We'd all love to assume nothing immoral or unethical happens to win championships. But, in the end, if I were to take gratitude in a championship after having reached the decision it was done wrongly, I'd be embarrassed and, quite frankly, undeserving. I'm so tired of the arguments to support cheating or unethical methods to achieve the single goal of winning. There's no doubt I'm from a more respectable generation.

1. To quote Clint Eastwood, “deserves got nothing to do with it.” This is college basketball we are talking about. Sports. The idea that some fans are more deserving than others and that it is somehow relevant to outcomes is imaginary.

2. How old are you? If you older and are from the greatest generation, I’ll tip my cap to you. If you are just a boomer, I’ll laugh at your “there’s no doubt I’m from a more respectable generation” claim.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Slur?

I don't think it is fair to anyone to speculate.

 

[I@ST1]

Slur?

Absolutely not.

 

[madguy30]

I don’t know, I guess I expect it goes beyond drawing up plays. Caleb’s parents entrusted their child to this guy. It’s bigger expectations than jv ball in Milwaukee.

Yes it is which is perhaps why TJ held him accountable. Previous staffs had players that needed babysitters because 'be at practice' was reportedly too much to ask.

For all we know his parents and the staff have been in communication on things and both parties agreed this was best for him. I'm guessing that Grill following TJ back to Ames means it's a generally good relationship and sometimes that also means the business side needs to end.

 

[clonedude]

I would think that TJ probably talked to Grill and attempted to solve this a better way (Grill just leaving the team for personal or medical reasons for example), but Grill must not have agreed to do such a thing…. so TJ was left with no other option.

At least I hope TJ tried do handle it differently, but had no other choice.

 

[Irish1]

I didn't see THIS coming...... however.....I sure saw something coming. Right before our eyes you could see Grill's frustration AND aggression escalating. Even his facial appearance did not look right
I understand what TJ is preaching about how he expects his players to behave and react during games. And I understand why TJ carries himself the way he does in games...... as you practice what you preach.
What I did NOT understand is why he didn't take Caleb out of the game immediately following the shove and technical.
I am guessing the kid felt like the weight of the world was on his shoulders, which I am sure did not help his mental health. I feel like TJs soft spot for the kid may have helped him miss the storm that was brewing.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I would think that TJ probably talked to Grill and attempted to solve this a better way (Grill just leaving the team for personal or medical reasons for example), but Grill must not have agreed to do such a thing…. so TJ was left with no other option.

At least I hope TJ tried do handle it differently, but had no other choice.

With every employee that I've ever dismissed (except for egregious things), I've sat down with them and clearly laid out what they were doing wrong, what the expectations were going forward, and the repercussions if similar things happened again. I have no doubt TJ and the staff followed a similar path.

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

I think most of us saw a significant change in CG after his back injury and he was never the same player on the court afterwords. While there was probably a sense of relief among the team when he was dismissed, I can’t imagine how hard this situation and its build-up has been on everybody involved. Having to dismiss CG was probably one of the hardest things TJ has ever had to do as a leader. CG followed him to 3 different schools and a leader like TJ loves these players like family- I can’t imagine the hurt felt by our team and CG and his family.

I wish CG the best- he’ll always be a Cyclone in my book.

Forever True

Well, I mean…considering his teammates unanimously voted him off..

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

Good old ISU and its fans.

Worried about the wrong things, instead of the only thing.

Winning.

What’d you say about Iowa fans being okay with their black athletes being treated like garbage? Just win baby! Amirite?

 

[Rabbuk]

Well, I mean…considering his teammates unanimously voted him off..

This is my favorite always debunked rumor

 

[cymac2408]

Every time I think TJ needs to get a T, I think of Mad Fran...and I am thankful.

One T in three years would put TJ in Mystic Iowa where Fran is in New York City.

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

This is my favorite always debunked rumor

Except..it’s not a rumor

 

[jsb]

With every employee that I've ever dismissed (except for egregious things), I've sat down with them and clearly laid out what they were doing wrong, what the expectations were going forward, and the repercussions if similar things happened again. I have no doubt TJ and the staff followed a similar path.

The question is if you change the response based on the fact that the kid was struggling and was not himself?

I don’t know. The way Iowa State worded the press release and the way Caleb’s statement read, it sort of comes across as a pretty unforgivable thing. That’s why there’s been speculation about it being a racial thing.

But I’ve read a few things that make it sound like it wasn’t quite at that level. If the decision was inevitable, it’s too bad Iowa State couldn’t have said he left the team for personal reasons. Caleb could have released his statement and then it wouldn’t have been so jarring.

 

[cycloneworld]

Good old ISU and its fans.

Worried about the wrong things, instead of the only thing.

Winning.

This might be one of the most embarrassing posts on CycloneFanatic…and that’s saying something.

At Iowa State we care A LOT about how we win. Treating the players well, supporting them, etc. They are human beings not cogs in a machine designed to only win basketball games. You embarrass Cyclone fans with that mindset.

A “win or it means nothing” mentality is really freaking stupid.

 

[Cyclonepride]

The question is if you change the response based on the fact that the kid was struggling and was not himself?

I don’t know. The way Iowa State worded the press release and the way Caleb’s statement read, it sort of comes across as a pretty unforgivable thing. That’s why there’s been speculation about it being a racial thing.

But I’ve read a few things that make it sound like it wasn’t quite at that level. If the decision was inevitable, it’s too bad Iowa State couldn’t have said he left the team for personal reasons. Caleb could have released his statement and then it wouldn’t have been so jarring.

Everything is speculation at this point, but given the heartfelt response from Caleb, I would absolutely not expect that from anyone if it was a huge surprise. To me, that is more evidence that TJ laid out the expectations clearly, and Caleb did not meet them. Once something becomes an addressed pattern, it doesn't take a huge transgression to make that decision inevitable.

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

The question is if you change the response based on the fact that the kid was struggling and was not himself?

I don’t know. The way Iowa State worded the press release and the way Caleb’s statement read, it sort of comes across as a pretty unforgivable thing. That’s why there’s been speculation about it being a racial thing.

But I’ve read a few things that make it sound like it wasn’t quite at that level. If the decision was inevitable, it’s too bad Iowa State couldn’t have said he left the team for personal reasons. Caleb could have released his statement and then it wouldn’t have been so jarring.

Long story short, Grill was given two options..he chose the option to stay with the team until the end of the season (knowing he wasn’t going to play “because of his back”) then would leave on his own accord, but the team felt like he would be a distraction and unanimously voted him off to leave the team now.

 

[jsb]

Long story short, Grill was given two options..he chose the option to stay with the team until the end of the season (knowing he wasn’t going to play “because of his back”) then would leave on his own accord, but the team felt like he was becoming a distraction and unanimously voted him off to leave the team now.

We’ve all heard that particular story. I can punch holes in the logic of that story until kingdom comes.

But it changes nothing about what I just wrote.

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

We’ve all heard that particular story. I can punch holes in the logic of that story until kingdom comes.

But it changes nothing about what I just wrote.

Punch holes in the story? Lol that is what happened. He was given the option to leave on his own, but he chose not to. And the straw that broke the camels back wasn’t a racial thing

 

[mjhavlo76]

Slur?

Seems to be the consistent rumor. Again, nothing evidentially. But one could make an educated guess. If true, that was the right move.

 

[CycloneErik]

Sure. We'd all love to assume nothing immoral or unethical happens to win championships. But, in the end, if I were to take gratitude in a championship after having reached the decision it was done wrongly, I'd be embarrassed and, quite frankly, undeserving. I'm so tired of the arguments to support cheating or unethical methods to achieve the single goal of winning. There's no doubt I'm from a more respectable generation.

That's hilarious generational stuff there. Cheating is at the heart of many championships, almost certainly here at ISU, too. You're just naive enough to think it's a "younger generation" thing when it's been at the heart of sports and everything else as long as there have been sports and everything else.