Bubu Thread

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Everyone in this thread needs a big group hug. No matter how long people argue, nothing will change. It's like congress up in here.
 

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Okay, I'm sure that I'm not alone here, but this is just exhausting. I think that it is fair to say that probably 90% of us has an opinion one way or the other and the other 10% perhaps just don't care. I have an opinion too, but I am posting this from a point of neutrality. Let's look at the facts:

1. We do not know if Bubu is guilty or innocent of the charges and we never will. I personally don't think that calling him out as a rapist or stating his innocents gains us anything. All we know is that his charges were dropped. We all have our opinions, but I would encourage everyone on each side to be careful with your accusations (both guilt and innocence) because NONE of us knows. Try to remember what this would be like if it were you or someone you loved (either the accused or the accuser).

2. We will never know the facts of the case that were reviewed by the judges, president or BOR. We have a system of due process which I feel every party in this situation has had an opportunity to use and has used to the fullest extent. As I posted earlier, we are where we are. Agree or disagree with any part of the process is our rights, but all hypothetical when we don't know the facts.

3. I am a firm believer that everyone will at some point have to answer for their actions. Weather that's Bubu, the accused victim, judges, BOR, president, AD, whoever is involved in this case. Things have a way of working themselves out. Even if we, as fans, never see that fall out, it does happen. Cause and effect. So.....if there are persons or people who have stepped out of line, have their own agenda or perhaps just screwed up (that includes ALL involved), their day will come.

I love the passion of our fan base which can create these posts, but try to take a deep breath. Sadly we will never have the facts or answers.
 
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Thats about enough internet for you today. Hit the showers champ.

Why? You can't handle the truth either? Does it hurt your little feelings?

The vast majority of guys on my dorm floor at ISU had done this kind of thing with a girl. You don't think the stud athletes on campus are also doing it? C'mon. Just deal with reality and wake up.
 

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Start at post 157 and read, big guy. I think it was pretty obvious who I was referring to.
 

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

What I find funny is all of the people that object to posters calling Leath and JP names and then call clonedude names everytime he has an opinion that differs from them. Seems hypocritical to me.

Also., based on the posts on here there appears to be some serious circling of the wagons going on by the administration.
 

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That's the thing, the court never decided that. Charges were dropped and it's a pretty big difference.

True, but innocent until proven guilty right? I think everyone here would like to be treated in such a manner. Plus the fact that the accuser tempered the evidence, points more towards him being innocent.
 

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Why? You can't handle the truth either? Does it hurt your little feelings?

The vast majority of guys on my dorm floor at ISU had done this kind of thing with a girl. You don't think the stud athletes on campus are also doing it? C'mon. Just deal with reality and wake up.
Just because it happens doesn't mean it changes the definition of consent. You are just losing to the internet today.
 

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

That's the thing, the court never decided that. Charges were dropped and it's a pretty big difference.

Here we go again. They were dropped because the woman was caught lying and deemed uncredible in what was apparently otherwise a he said she said case. Probably didn't help her cause that she was the one who called BuBu to pick her up from the bars either. But keep believing her if you want, most of us just can't understand why.
 

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

What I find funny is all of the people that object to posters calling Leath and JP names and then call clonedude names everytime he has an opinion that differs from them. Seems hypocritical to me.

Also., based on the posts on here there appears to be some serious circling of the wagons going on by the administration.

Yeah, definitely hypocritical, but to be expected. People that drink nothing but cardinal and gold kool aid don't like it when you challenge Iowa State authority.

I love the fact that Bubu did and that he didn't just walk away with his tail between his legs. He has renewed my hope in this country that the little guy can still stand up for their rights against the "establishment" and win. I wasn't sure that was still the case in this country anymore. I'm glad it is.
 

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Here we go again. They were dropped because the woman was caught lying and deemed uncredible in what was apparently otherwise a he said she said case. Probably didn't help her cause that she was the one who called BuBu to pick her up from the bars either. But keep believing her if you want, most of us just can't understand why.

My only issue that I stated was that the court said he was innocent. That's simply not true.
 

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Why? You can't handle the truth either? Does it hurt your little feelings?

The vast majority of guys on my dorm floor at ISU had done this kind of thing with a girl. You don't think the stud athletes on campus are also doing it? C'mon. Just deal with reality and wake up.

So we should go with the "everybody is doing it, so that makes things OK" concept, even though accurately knowing someone's sexual activity is loaded with social and cultural issues?

It seems like that concept was supposed to be weeded out during childhood.
Also, if you're taking people at face value about sexual activity, you're probably doing it wrong.
 

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My only issue that I stated was that the court said he was innocent. That's simply not true.

CrossCyed once again... If you were accused of a crime wouldn't you also want to be considered innocent until proven guilty? He wasn't found guilty therefore he is innocent. Thats just the way it is whether any of us like it or not.
 

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Just because it happens doesn't mean it changes the definition of consent. You are just losing to the internet today.

Doesn't consent mean doing something willingly? Last I heard women enjoy sex and participate willingly too. This is all getting just too crazy.
 

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Just because it happens doesn't mean it changes the definition of consent. You are just losing to the internet today.

What are you even talking about? You don't know if this girl consented or not. The courts either think she did, or they just flat out didn't believe her story at all. That's all we know.

I've said that Bubu shouldn't have put himself in this vulnerable of position. But as I've explained, he's not the only one doing it. It doesn't make it right, but it happens a LOT.

And my biggest problem is not with Bubu Palo in all of this. It's with Leath and JP. They are acting like childish babies in this, and it isn't helping anything.... especially Fred Hoiberg. AND... JP is a hypocrite. I think that is a fact. It's his inconsistency that drives me insane.
 

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These three kids went to high school together and were friends. I know of this girl and she doesn't even live in Iowa at this time. Not that this has any bearing on the facts and the mostly ridiculous back and forth legal smack being flung here.
 

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

Whether guilty of anything or not, Bubu started this all by making some poor choices. Those poor choices have forced ISU leadership to make decisions where all courses of action were bad choices. Its surprising how quick people on here are to judge people just trying to do the right thing. Basketball is not the most important thing in the world.
 

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

CrossCyed once again... If you were accused of a crime wouldn't you also want to be considered innocent until proven guilty? He wasn't found guilty therefore he is innocent. Thats just the way it is whether any of us like it or not.

Again, that is not what I said. I said that he was never found guilty or not guilty or anything. It makes a difference.
 

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Re: Pres. Leath addresses the Bubu Palo issue at Hilton today

So we should go with the "everybody is doing it, so that makes things OK" concept, even though accurately knowing someone's sexual activity is loaded with social and cultural issues?

It seems like that concept was supposed to be weeded out during childhood.
Also, if you're taking people at face value about sexual activity, you're probably doing it wrong.

I never said that "everyone is doing it, so that makes it ok." I just said that nearly everyone is doing it. I didn't say anything about that making it ok. I don't like it either. But I remember what it was like in college too. I wasn't always doing things I should have.

But just because he possibly had sex with a girl in college does NOT mean he is a rapist. That is a BIG leap, and one that has not been proven. If all sex in college was rape, 70% of college kids would be in prison.
 

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