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Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

vmbplayer said:
He hasn't been charged with a crime. He has been charged with a violation of the student code of conduct. Which he has been found guilty of and not appealed.

To say his civil rights have been trampled because the University disciplined him for violating the student code of conduct is saying the University can only hold students accountable for items which are a violation of state law. Meaning the school has no recourse for outright cheating on an exam as it doesn't violate a law.
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Ok, so if found guilty of that, why did the University still allow him to remain on campus and be under scholarship? Why not expel him? That is why this seems fishy to me.
 
The only thing I can come up with to justify the pres decision is that the girl was drunk. The clear lesson from all this is don't ever have sex with a drink person. You'll be the one getting screwed even if the complainant doesn't meet their responsibilities as the complainant.
 
I've talked to some staff members and they say Bubu did do something. I had the same arguments as you guys did about him not getting proven of having any wrongdoing but they said they are 100% sure he did something. They didn't say anything else when I pressed them about it. I just feel something is being hidden that the fans might never know about with this.
 
theCyBooty said:
Leath's handling of this and his decision making process make me question if he is fit to run a large University.
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You must know the specifics of all of the information and evidence (not available to the general public) Leath had at his disposal when making his decision to declare his decision suspect and to declare that he might not be fit to run a University. Please share...
 
LutherBlue said:
Probably because the Fifth Amendment prevents the prosecutor from compelling Bubu to testify against himself. ISU has no such limitation in its student misconduct proceedings and in fact, the AG's brief referenced admissions Bubu made in the course of the school's proceedings.
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Thanks, makes sense. Although I doubt Bubu admitted to non-consensual sex, I could imagine him making admissions to where one might come to that conclusion.
 
IHavNoCyCash said:
I've talked to some staff members and they say Bubu did do something. I had the same arguments as you guys did about him not getting proven of having any wrongdoing but they said they are 100% sure he did something. They didn't say anything else when I pressed them about it. I just feel something is being hidden that the fans might never know about with this.
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Once this goes before the district court, do the facts become public record?
 
jbhtexas said:
The district court is supposed to be the last level of appeal. Now, it is true that the first motion to the district court was simply for a stay of the sanction, and Palo's lawyers may want to save some of their evidence for the actual appeal.

However, in the appeal to BOR, there also appeared to be no evidence submitted that found logical or factual errors in Leath's decision.
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If we're looking for logical...I keep coming back to this: at various levels, it has been stated that Bubu would present a danger to other students if he was not disciplined by removing him from the team. I fail to see how he would present a danger to Georges, Mel, DeAndre, Dustin, Percy, et al (men who are clearly larger, likely much stronger than him), but would not present a danger to all of the co-eds on campus that he interacts with on a daily basis, as a scholarship student in good standing.

It really doesn't get any more illogical than that. If he was such a danger, they could have removed him from campus by expelling him based on alleged conduct violations, or (and IMO, this is mind-numbingly obvious) Leath could have made the decision in a TIMELY manner, allowing Bubu to transfer, giving the scholarship back to the team, etc.

Up until the BS this past fall, I agreed with the manner in which the University responded. Now, it's starting to reek of Dean Wormer's double-secret probation.
 
LutherBlue said:
Probably because the Fifth Amendment prevents the prosecutor from compelling Bubu to testify against himself. ISU has no such limitation in its student misconduct proceedings and in fact, the AG's brief referenced admissions Bubu made in the course of the school's proceedings.
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What admissions did it reference?
 
So, we have Custer coming in as a point guard and hardly gets mentioned. A third string walk on gets 30 pages of posts. That is wrong.
 
MaccloNe said:
So, we have Custer coming in as a point guard and hardly gets mentioned. A third string walk on gets 30 pages of posts. That is wrong.
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Hornacek was a walk-on.

Bubu was expected to start at PG this fall.

The actions the university has/has not taken in this case (and others mentioned) have an impact beyond one basketball player.

Just pointing out some additional information that might balance your bias a bit...
 
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This isn't the only time a court in Iowa has issued a stay for an athlete that forced a school to allow them to compete. Tom Brands senior year of high school he was accused of rape and the school district kicked him off the team. While he ultimately was not allowed to compete at the State Championship that year because of it (If you want to see an Iowa wrestling fan get very uncomfortable, ask them why Brands didn't win State his senior year), a court issued a stay that allowed him to compete at districts while they sorted it out, because not allowing him to compete at districts would have caused him irreparable harm.
 
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