Bubu Thread

[Spam]

Sure, you can support Leath, JP, ISU, and The BOR in that you agree Bubu shouldn't be on the team. But it's virtually impossible to defend the manner in which they handled this:

1. As has been brought up before, why was Bubu allowed on the team up to a point where he could no longer transfer, and then kicked off? Was it out of concern for other teams that he may transfer to and to protect them from a person once accused and subsequently cleared of sexual assault?


2. Why was he kicked off the team but allowed to remain a student due to the nature of the allegations? Was it feared that he may pose a sexual threat to say, Georges Niang, but not his fellow female students at ISU?

ISU/Pollard/Leath/BOR have left themselves in an embarrassing and indefensible position. And it's NOT because they believe that Bubu should be off the team.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

What the **** kind of question is that?

Let me reiterate for the 19th time: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUBU PALO OR BASKETBALL!!!!

It has to do with the scope of judicial review of university decisions regarding students and the code of conduct.

So, it's ok to take basketball away from a kid for no reason?

And as to your capitalized statement which I in turn bolded, it has everything to do with Bubu Palo and basketball.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

To those supporting the BoR, Leath, and Pollard. Are you saying Bubu raped the female in question?

I'm not supporting the way the BoR, Leath, and Pollard because I think they've mishandled it. But to your question, I think Bubu is innocent of sexually assaulting the female, but it's impossible right now given the public facts to know if he committed sexual misconduct.

 

[Nycclone]

1 because it was still under appeal and a final decision had not been made.

2 per stahle in her argument to the state supreme court, it was because he was a good student and they felt due to his academic standing he should be allowed to still be a student. She also says in her concluding remarks that bubu had non consensual sex. With that said, she doesn't really argue that bubu is a danger per say, but that there needs to be consequences for his actions which will keep the student population safe. Lack of punishment would cause people to think they can get away with it. Make women on campus less safe.

Does me stating this mean I agree with her or the bor? No. I'm just paraphrasing the argument.

 

[MartyFine]

What the **** kind of question is that?

Let me reiterate for the 19th time: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUBU PALO OR BASKETBALL!!!!

It has to do with the scope of judicial review of university decisions regarding students and the code of conduct.

And the District Court was well within its boundaries in that regard. If I have to read one more time that this is about Courts telling institutions who can and cannot participate in sports my head is going to explode.

University policy allowed this action.

 

[CyStalker]

I think the problem that we are all having is that we were not privy to the press conference when ISU announced that the student code of conduct was updated to model that of BYU's. It's probably not the accusation that Bubu sexually assaulted someone that pushed this over the edge.....he probably drank caffeine since that time.wink:

 

[Cyberclone]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Everyone who thinks this is about what Bubu did or did not do at this point is blind to what the actual issues are. This case (like many cases) is about procedure and rights. The AG is not asking the Iowa Supreme Court to weigh in on if Bubu violated the student conduct code. This is all about the BOR appealing the right for the President of a regent institution to enforce a code of conduct at their university.

Look at Miranda vs Arizona as an example. Miranda raped an 18 year old. The Miranda case found his confession inadmissible because he wasn't informed of his rights. Result, his initial conviction was overturned on a procedural technicality. The case didn't go to the US supreme court about Miranda doing or not doing something to the victim.

Same thing is happening here. This case is about Iowa State's right to allow or not allow students to be members of the athletic teams and the board of regents right to uphold that decision.

Bravo, finally someone who understands the big picture here. Very good explanation. :yes:

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I'm not supporting the way the BoR, Leath, and Pollard because I think they've mishandled it. But to your question, I think Bubu is innocent of sexually assaulting the female, but it's impossible right now given the public facts to know if he committed sexual misconduct.

My point with asking that was, unless you think Bubu actually raped this girl, I can't see how you support ANY of the actions taken by the University and BoR. I just can't.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

My point with asking that was, unless you think Bubu actually raped this girl, I can't see how you support ANY of the actions taken by the University and BoR. I just can't.

Iowa State's policy classifies sexual misconduct as sexual assault, sexual exploitation, sexual intimidation, and sexual harassment. I can envision a situation where he didn't rape her but did intimidate and harass her. Don't know if that's what happened, but I think it's a possibility.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Iowa State's policy classifies sexual misconduct as sexual assault, sexual exploitation, sexual intimidation, and sexual harassment. I can envision a situation where he didn't rape her but did intimidate and harass her. Don't know if that's what happened, but I think it's a possibility.

Do they have proof of this? If so, why was it not provided to the district court?

 

[bawbie]

My point with asking that was, unless you think Bubu actually raped this girl, I can't see how you support ANY of the actions taken by the University and BoR. I just can't.

You seem to think that explaining what is happening with the appeal to the Iowa Supreme Court is supporting Leath's decision. It's not.

 

[Clonefan32]

On one hand, I suppose the BOR is entitled to pursue every legal avenue possible just as Bubu had the right to ask for an injunction from an ALJ. However, at some point this becomes incredibly petty and entirely pointless. I've only done one appeal in my life, but from what I know about the Iowa Supreme Court nothing gets done quickly. I would imagine Boles would be doing anything he can to extend this decision until the end of the season.

You just have to wonder what Bubu did to them to have such a stick up their *** about the whole thing.

 

[jkclone]

1 because it was still under appeal and a final decision had not been made.

2 per stahle in her argument to the state supreme court, it was because he was a good student and they felt due to his academic standing he should be allowed to still be a student. She also says in her concluding remarks that bubu had non consensual sex. With that said, she doesn't really argue that bubu is a danger per say, but that there needs to be consequences for his actions which will keep the student population safe. Lack of punishment would cause people to think they can get away with it. Make women on campus less safe.

Does me stating this mean I agree with her or the bor? No. I'm just paraphrasing the argument.

My response to that is hasn't he been punished enough already. I don't know the exact amount of games but it is somewhere around a complete season in total that he hasn't been allowed to compete. While you could make an argument that there needs to be a punishment I don't see a very successful argument that he hasn't been punished enough.

 

[bawbie]

So, it's ok to take basketball away from a kid for no reason?

Actually, it is. His scholarship could have just not been renewed. Once his scholarship was renewed, it was likely not okay to remove him from the team in the method they did. Thus Bubu was entitled to Judicial Review.

And as to your capitalized statement which I in turn bolded, it has everything to do with Bubu Palo and basketball.

You are wrong. The appeal to the Iowa Supreme Court has nothing to do with Bubu personally or Basketball in general. It has everything to do with whether the court has the ability to stay a university decision pending judicial review of that decision.

 

[chuckd4735]

Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team

Everyone who thinks this is about what Bubu did or did not do at this point is blind to what the actual issues are. This case (like many cases) is about procedure and rights. The AG is not asking the Iowa Supreme Court to weigh in on if Bubu violated the student conduct code. This is all about the BOR appealing the right for the President of a regent institution to enforce a code of conduct at their university.

Look at Miranda vs Arizona as an example. Miranda raped an 18 year old. The Miranda case found his confession inadmissible because he wasn't informed of his rights. Result, his initial conviction was overturned on a procedural technicality. The case didn't go to the US supreme court about Miranda doing or not doing something to the victim.

Same thing is happening here. This case is about Iowa State's right to allow or not allow students to be members of the athletic teams and the board of regents right to uphold that decision.

Yes. However, the whole thing is getting somewhat personal, IMO. I think alot of people think that last week the District Count overturned the BoR decision to not allow Bubu back on the team, which they did not. The simply said, the appeal by Bubu carries merit and they will eventually review it, but for now they will allow Bubu to continue playing for ISU until they reach their conclusion on the appeal. They have yet to overturn anything.

Now, instead of ISU waiting for the final ruling on the appeal by the District Court, they are already appealing to the Iowa Supreme Court saying he District Court does not have the authority to review this case, and they are asking that Bubu be removed from the team while the Supreme Court reviews that case. The BoR could of appealed this review by the District Court right away if they wanted to, but they waited until something happened that was not in their favor.

So in all reality, this situation could play out...

The Supreme Court could take this case on and grant the stay of the District Courts decision which would remove Bubu from the team. The Supreme Court could then rule in favor of the District Court, which would put Bubu back on the team. The District Court could then review the appeal brought forward by Bubu on the BoR's decision, and agree with the BoR, and Bubu would again be removed from the team.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

Do they have proof of this? If so, why was it not provided to the district court?

The case hasn't been heard yet, I think they have until Jan 31 to submit their evidence.

 

[theCyBooty]

Leath created this problem. If he had made his decision by the deadline, Bubu would have transferred and this whole story would have been gone. If the administration doesn't want him on the team fine, then why not allow him to transfer. The way this played out, it looks like he was intentionally blocked from transferring.

 

[Die4Cy]

Currently, this case is about the stay that allowed Palo back on the team and nothing else. The BoR isn't going to be able to reasonably dispute that Bubu has no right to take this matter to a judge. The student code explicitly allows for that. They are going to dispute the judge getting in the way of their notion that they could just run out the clock on this matter as a means of making it go away.

They really should have thought about that before ever starting. Because it was inevitable that once a district Court became involved this outcome was possible.

 

[IcSyU]

Whoever the University's legal council is should have their head examined. This was an easily avoidable situation and the University and Athletics Department together turned it into a PR nightmare.

 

[buf87]

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