Bubu kicked off team??!!
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Well all they really had to prove was she was really drunk and he slept with her. A person incapacitated in Iowa is not legally able to provide consent. And per Iowa State policy this is all that is required to be guilty of sexual misconduct.
Well all they really had to prove was she was really drunk and he slept with her. A person incapacitated in Iowa is not legally able to provide consent. And per Iowa State policy this is all that is required to be guilty of sexual misconduct.
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Yeah this kind of thing never works out well for anyone involved. I know a couple women who had bad experiences with Bubu at a party and that colors my view but neither of us are working with any real information. I just felt someone should stand up for victims of sexual assault in general. Which is perhaps the most under-reported crime because it is so incredibly hard to prove.
So you're more mad at the judicial affairs office than at a player who should as an athlete of Iowa State and a representative of the university avoid situations that can lead to a mess like this?
Makes sense.
The questioned on whether we could use the scholarship this late in the game to another player was posed to Travis Hines this morning and this was his response:
https://twitter.com/travishines21/status/374180965142122496
https://twitter.com/travishines21/status/374180965142122496
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Exactly. None of us know, including the University, what exactly happened that night, but we do know that there was a significant amount of evidence tampering and the charges dropped.
Differences in the level of evidence you need, as discussed earlier in the thread. Don't need to have proof beyond reasonable doubt..
He should have never put himself in the situation he got in.
Well, I mean - even if she did fabricate evidence and it wasn't rape, Bubu DID go there with the intention of tag-teaming her. That's not exactly noble.
There's a lot of conjecture here, and a lot of really abhorrent things to say. But I don't think that he is an angel.
If what you state is true, then I ask again, why didn't this get handled correctly until now? The policy surely didn't change since Jan. and it shouldn't take a much later appeal to have it handed down.
Agreed he should not have but he did and already sat out half a season but then was reinstated by ISU. One week into semester & someone changes their minds and kicks innocent kid off team & lets him stay in school. Whole thing sucks and our team will miss him for it.
Sorry Erik but I just struggle for the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' and then this happens and Fred loses his starting pg without having a choice
You have absolutely no idea if what you are saying is true. 3fromdeep's perspective should not be honored, because he is right. Some of the comments to which he refers are right out of the 50's - and I thought long buried. Guess not.
Which is why someone probably appealed it. When charges were dropped people proabably just thought "case closed" like most on here did without thinking about whether he still violated policy. But you are right they should have.
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ISU failed this young man, even if he is guilty of bad judgement. We owed it to him to make this decision in time to transfer to another team, at least. ISU failed.
I don't suppose anything can be revealed, but a simple explanation from a person heading this committee on the timing of the decision could at least be explained. Doesn't have to implicate any further info about Bubu or others involved and their privacy laws. Forgive my frustration but I just don't buy this possible "new information" coming out. New info on what....the "old information"?
The story is that Bubu, completely sober, along with another sober male, had sex with a consenting yet extremely intoxicated female correct? Thats pretty awful.
I don't know where you are from but where I am that is something that deserves a serious *** kicking and serious public scorn and shame especially given the fact he was a public figure representing ISU on a basketball scholarship. The law becomes irrelevant since anyone with a grain of sense knows that it actually is excusable to have sex with a drunk person if both parties are equally inebriated I am not getting all high and mighty but when one party is sober it makes them a sexual predator and complete POS (and multiply the scummyness of it by 10 if your ******* double teaming that person.) Bottom line. Now take the fact that lucky POS gets to attend a 30,000 person university that has some of the hottest women on the planet as a celebrity on the basketball team which makes it 100x easier for him to attract women and I hope he loses everything.
I have only one example but at a party we saw a kid we knew carry a girl who couldn't walk up the stairs to her room and found out she was so drunk she broke her computer by pouring beer on it when they were in there. We also found out from her roommates that she basically did that kind thing every weekend. So in the court of law he probably doesn't deserve to be convicted due to her prior behavoir but that doesn't make him any less of a rapist. And if after the fact she told on him he would have 100% deserved to get the boot from school even if no legal charges were tangible regardless of her prior behavior.
It probably would have been easier for ISU to let it go away. Look at Dez Wells suing X. They made a good decision that should be applauded.
I don't know where you are from but where I am that is something that deserves a serious *** kicking and serious public scorn and shame especially given the fact he was a public figure representing ISU on a basketball scholarship. The law becomes irrelevant since anyone with a grain of sense knows that it actually is excusable to have sex with a drunk person if both parties are equally inebriated I am not getting all high and mighty but when one party is sober it makes them a sexual predator and complete POS (and multiply the scummyness of it by 10 if your ******* double teaming that person.) Bottom line. Now take the fact that lucky POS gets to attend a 30,000 person university that has some of the hottest women on the planet as a celebrity on the basketball team which makes it 100x easier for him to attract women and I hope he loses everything.
I have only one example but at a party we saw a kid we knew carry a girl who couldn't walk up the stairs to her room and found out she was so drunk she broke her computer by pouring beer on it when they were in there. We also found out from her roommates that she basically did that kind thing every weekend. So in the court of law he probably doesn't deserve to be convicted due to her prior behavoir but that doesn't make him any less of a rapist. And if after the fact she told on him he would have 100% deserved to get the boot from school even if no legal charges were tangible regardless of her prior behavior.
It probably would have been easier for ISU to let it go away. Look at Dez Wells suing X. They made a good decision that should be applauded.
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