Breaking Bad

I thought it was a very solid finale. Thought everything in Walt's plan maybe went a little too cleanly and the episode wasn't as daring as some other parts of the show, but still very well done.

Now, that it's over, how's everybody rank the show? It comes down to The Wire or Breaking Bad for me as my favorite show. I really can't decide, they're pretty much tied for 1A and 1B in my mind.
 
In no particular order and not all of these could happen:
-Jesse dying, his life was so bad anyway
-Jesse escaping himself by killing the Nazi's in someway
-Any meth explosion, like come on, how do they make a million pounds of meth with no explosions? Especially once it was rigged up underground or in that barn
-Jesse and Brock reuniting
-The ABQ Police Department actually being worth a damn. You think a meth kingpin could just waltz around town like it was nothing if this happened in real life?
-The Stevia Ricin switch not being so blatantly obvious
-How about a flash forward of what happens with Jesse. Is he a chemistry teacher? Is he a woodworking teacher? Is he back on drugs? I mean anything.
-If they were gonna bring up Grey Matter, why not show why Walt and Gretchen broke up
-Walt doing one last cook
-Walt trying meth just to see what it's like
-Walt blowing up the lab and him going down with his ship
-A true flashback to this quote: "Chemistry is... well, technically, chemistry is the study of matter, but I prefer to see it as the study of change. [...] It is growth...then decay...then transformation. It is fascinating, really."
-Todd seeing Lydia die so he knows how that emotion feels
-Jesse actually killing Walt.

I have more. It did what it needed to do but it left me wanting something a bit more.


Most of what you say here would have made this episode worse in my opinion.

Walt trying Meth, blowing up the lab, etc. Seriously? This show is so much more than explosions and violence. It's an intelligent show and that would have dumbed it down.

The ABQ police dept not catching Walt was explained by multiple fake reports coming in.

Jesse killing Walt is not how this should end. There was a mutual hatred/love/respect that was consistent throughout the show. Neither one of them could ever kill the other. If they could have it would have happened long ago as there were plenty of opportunities. They saved each other more times than I can count.

Jesse meeting up with Brock? What, do you think Brock is still at the house where his mom was shot? You think they are going to let a known convicted drug kingpin just take over custody of him? There is no clean, quick way to wrap that up so they left it up to the viewer to imagine what might happen and hope for the best for both of them. That's not a bad ending.

As far as Gretchen and Walt, who cares why they broke up? The way he got closure with Elliot and Gretchen was unexpected and perfect. Figuring out it was laser pointers was what ruined it for you? Really? I think half the audience figured that out but it wasn't the point. The threat was still intense. Were you just wanting them to get gunned down? You seem to have wanted this show to go out guns blazing but that isn't what this show was.

What made Breaking Bad great to me is the intelligence behind all of it. How hard would it be to have all of these things play out as they did without it seeming extremely unlikely that it could actually happen that way. Nitpicking the ABQ police for not being smart enough to catch Walt is pretty minor. Look at all of the dramatic things that happened the way they did and very very few times were we left thinking, well that's a stretch because it would never happen that way. That is brilliant writing.

The violence that happened wasn't for the sake of having violence, it was to draw out emotion in the characters. It's why we in some ways felt bad for all of these very bad characters. Gus having his partner shot in front of him, Jessy and Walt were terrible people but we empathized with them.

I'm really not sure why people wanted a gun fight and explosion laden finale. That would have been completely disappointing as it wasn't what the show was about, ever. This was perfect.
 
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In no particular order and not all of these could happen:
-Jesse dying, his life was so bad anyway
-Jesse escaping himself by killing the Nazi's in someway
-Any meth explosion, like come on, how do they make a million pounds of meth with no explosions? Especially once it was rigged up underground or in that barn
-Jesse and Brock reuniting
-The ABQ Police Department actually being worth a damn. You think a meth kingpin could just waltz around town like it was nothing if this happened in real life?
-The Stevia Ricin switch not being so blatantly obvious
-How about a flash forward of what happens with Jesse. Is he a chemistry teacher? Is he a woodworking teacher? Is he back on drugs? I mean anything.
-If they were gonna bring up Grey Matter, why not show why Walt and Gretchen broke up
-Walt doing one last cook
-Walt trying meth just to see what it's like
-Walt blowing up the lab and him going down with his ship
-A true flashback to this quote: "Chemistry is... well, technically, chemistry is the study of matter, but I prefer to see it as the study of change. [...] It is growth...then decay...then transformation. It is fascinating, really."
-Todd seeing Lydia die so he knows how that emotion feels
-Jesse actually killing Walt.

I have more. It did what it needed to do but it left me wanting something a bit more.
JFC, they could make a 3+ hour movie on those topics alone. Get real.
 
I thought it was a very solid finale. Thought everything in Walt's plan maybe went a little too cleanly and the episode wasn't as daring as some other parts of the show, but still very well done.

Now, that it's over, how's everybody rank the show? It comes down to The Wire or Breaking Bad for me as my favorite show. I really can't decide, they're pretty much tied for 1A and 1B in my mind.

LOST is still my favorite show of all time...mostly for its story-line and entertainment value. But Breaking Bad is second with much better character development/writing/etc.
 
I'll throw out an oddball analogy for the finale.
When we talk about good writing, good sermon/speech preparation, anything that has to be written, the idea is always that the conclusion simply wraps things up without introducing a lot of new material or launching another chapter.

They wrapped things up last night. That's exactly what a conclusion has to do.


I still wish we saw a couple more minutes of Marie, but it was important that her first thought was to call her sister and warn her, even as we saw that Skyler wasn't telling her everything. As I typed this, it struck me that their relationship is rebuilding a little, even after all of this.
So maybe I wouldn't want to see more of Marie. That might be all they needed.
 
Most of what you say here would have made this episode worse in my opinion.

Walt trying Meth, blowing up the lab, etc. Seriously? This show is so much more than explosions and violence. It's an intelligent show and that would have dumbed it down.

The ABQ police dept not catching Walt was explained by multiple fake reports coming in.

Jesse killing Walt is not how this should end. There was a mutual hatred/love/respect that was consistent throughout the show. Neither one of them could ever kill the other. If they could have it would have happened long ago as there were plenty of opportunities. They saved each other more times than I can count.

Jesse meeting up with Brock? What, do you think Brock is still at the house where his mom was shot? You think they are going to let a known convicted drug kingpin just take over custody of him? There is no clean, quick way to wrap that up so they left it up to the viewer to imagine what might happen and hope for the best for both of them. That's not a bad ending.

As far as Gretchen and Walt, who cares why they broke up? The way he got closure with Elliot and Gretchen was unexpected and perfect. Figuring out it was laser pointers was what ruined it for you? Really? I think half the audience figured that out but it wasn't the point. The threat was still intense. Were you just wanting them to get gunned down? You seem to have wanted this show to go out guns blazing but that isn't what this show was.

What made Breaking Bad great to me is the intelligence behind all of it. How hard would it be to have all of these things play out as they did without it seeming extremely unlikely that it could actually happen that way. Nitpicking the ABQ police for not being smart enough to catch Walt is pretty minor. Look at all of the dramatic things that happened the way they did and very very few times were we left thinking, well that's a stretch because it would never happen that way. That is brilliant writing.

The violence that happened wasn't for the sake of having violence, it was to draw out emotion in the characters. It's why we in some ways felt bad for all of these very bad characters. Gus having his partner shot in front of him, Jessy and Walt were terrible people but we empathized with them.

I'm really not sure why people wanted a gun fight and explosion laden finale. That would have been completely disappointing as it wasn't what the show was about, ever. This was perfect.

The Walt trying meth was more tongue in cheek than anything. I just wanted to be left saying "Damn... that was a great ending". I just didn't feel it. It was a good, not great episode. It was definitely tied up in a bow but not all the way. I say leave it real open ended or completely tied up, not this in between stuff.

It's like people can have different opinions or something...

And BB was never about explosions?

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He knew he would not be getting it anyway. And 10M is enough for a family to live on and not have to worry anymore. In the end, he did what he needed to do to take care of his family. Walt won.

He did the math with Jessie in season one and they came up with 700k. 80 mill would have been outrageous to justify Elliott and Gretchen handing it over to Walt Jr. 9 mill and change is plenty.
 
I'll throw out an oddball analogy for the finale.
When we talk about good writing, good sermon/speech preparation, anything that has to be written, the idea is always that the conclusion simply wraps things up without introducing a lot of new material or launching another chapter.

They wrapped things up last night. That's exactly what a conclusion has to do.


I still wish we saw a couple more minutes of Marie, but it was important that her first thought was to call her sister and warn her, even as we saw that Skyler wasn't telling her everything. As I typed this, it struck me that their relationship is rebuilding a little, even after all of this.
So maybe I wouldn't want to see more of Marie. That might be all they needed.

I agree. They didn't get too cute with it, and didn't wrap it up too conveniently (or leave it open ended, which would have been annoying).
 
That ended exactly how I thought it should.

I thought Jesse deserved to be saved and Walt to be the one to do it.

Makes me curious how Walt would have ended it if he hadn't gotten shot saving Jesse.

I didn't think Walt was going to kill Gretchen. I actually did think he would find a way for them to get money to his family. I still would have liked one more flashback to them returning from the family trip and him showing the first signs of his Heisenberg pride. Would have been a good setup to him going into their house.

Skinny Pete and Badger were perfect. "Better."

For the Nazis, Walt figured out another ingenious way to get the job done. For most of the second half of season 5 he had everything blow up in his face. He got the job done.



Something I didn't expect that was perfect was him finally admitting it was all about pride and not his family. Perfect.

In the end he dies with his Felina.
 
Walt left Gretchen because of his inferiority complex about rich people/poor people. Something happened at that trip to her family's estate, in something that was said, or the way that they acted that touched his nerve about handouts.

This carries through his character and interaction with her - that he doesn't want their money - don't want any handouts - don't use any of your money to set up the trust fund. This is also why he thinks of "him" versus "the family" because he would have taken their money if he was thinking of the family.

Sorry I don't have a link but the actress that played Gretchen, Jessica Hecht, explained it in an interview. I've been looking for the article but I can't seem to find it. Anyway, one day on set Vince Gilligan pulled her and Bryan Cranston to the side so he could explain what happened between them in order to set the mood before they filmed a scene. She said it was something along the lines of Gretchen takes Walt to her parents house on a vacation and I guess Gretchen's family is filthy rich. Walt essentially gets mad about how they're rich and he isn't so he leaves their house and the company.

I can't find it now, either, but I excerpted that part from the interview with Hecht in a post last week:
Thanks I thought I may have been missing something.
 
Thanks I thought I may have been missing something.

I'm glad it wasn't something as simple as, "she cheated on him". It was all about his pride.


The whole show ends up being about his pride. He had so many opportunities to get out and "win". Even back to his Gray Matter days. If he could have handled having rich in-laws he would have gotten the girl and been a legitimate millionaire as co-founder of Gray Matter. He would have even had the satisfaction of making his own money and building something.

In the end it was all about pride. He died as the drug kingpin with everyone knowing the HE was the one behind the blue the whole time. No one can sell his formula anymore and he found a way to sneak money to his family.
 
The Walt trying meth was more tongue in cheek than anything. I just wanted to be left saying "Damn... that was a great ending". I just didn't feel it. It was a good, not great episode. It was definitely tied up in a bow but not all the way. I say leave it real open ended or completely tied up, not this in between stuff.

It's like people can have different opinions or something...

And BB was never about explosions?

The climax of the show happened a couple episodes ago with the shootout and the phone call. The rest was just wrapping it up and it was done perfectly imo.
 
I'm surprised to see so many thinking Gretchen and Elliott got off easy. They're walking around perpetually thinking that somebody is going to put a bullet in the back of their head and that WW left enough legacy money and anger to cover those services.
 
I'm surprised to see so many thinking Gretchen and Elliott got off easy. They're walking around perpetually thinking that somebody is going to put a bullet in the back of their head and that WW left enough legacy money and anger to cover those services.

They also know the HE is the mastermind, not them. Even while dead, he still has control over them. They can't just go on with their lives pretending nothing happened.
 
I'm glad it wasn't something as simple as, "she cheated on him". It was all about his pride.


The whole show ends up being about his pride. He had so many opportunities to get out and "win". Even back to his Gray Matter days. If he could have handled having rich in-laws he would have gotten the girl and been a legitimate millionaire as co-founder of Gray Matter. He would have even had the satisfaction of making his own money and building something.

In the end it was all about pride. He died as the drug kingpin with everyone knowing the HE was the one behind the blue the whole time. No one can sell his formula anymore and he found a way to sneak money to his family.
That's exactly what I thought about right after he shot Jack even though Jack said he could tell him where the rest of the money is. In the past he wouldn't have done that because his greed (and pride) would not have let him let go of that money. But that time he finally just let go and said it wasn't worth it. I'm sure his bullet wound had an influence on his thinking, but it was still interesting to see him basically just end the whole push of his storyline over 5 seasons with that bullet.
 
LOST is still my favorite show of all time...mostly for its story-line and entertainment value. But Breaking Bad is second with much better character development/writing/etc.

Lost just didn't do it for me. I can see the appeal, but there's also just too much fantasy/mythology for my taste. I think part of the problem is I never watched it live and there were so many episodes per season to catch up on.
 

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