Brady Supposedly Destroyed Cell Phone

[CTTB78]

pressure measurements start on page 72

"For the reasons stated in Section VII.B and described in detail in Appendix 1 based on Exponent‟s conclusion that the Logo Gauge generally reports a measurement that is approximately 0.3-0.45 psi higher than the measurement reported by the Non-Logo Gauge and never produced a reading lower than the Non-Logo Gauge during Exponent‟s testing, it appears most likely that the two officials switched gauges in between measuring each team‟s footballs, meaning that Blakeman most likely used the Logo Gauge and Prioleau most likely used the Non-Logo Gauge to test the Colts balls at halftime. Further, Exponent believes that the results recorded for the third Colts ball tested reflect an anomaly in that, unlike the other Colts balls tested, the reading made by Prioleau is higher than the reading made by Blakeman. Exponent believes that this anomaly may be the result of a transcription error where the measurements recorded were attributed to the opposite game official (i.e., on game day, Blakeman measured 12.95 psi and Prioleau measured 12.50 psi) or a recording error where the pressure measured by one of the officials was incorrectly recorded."

I don't think Tom Terrific will need Barry Scheck for this one.

 

[rholtgraves]

How come the PSI of all of the Patriots balls was so much lower than the PSI of the Colts balls, when they were tested at halftime? Weren't they subject to the same conditions?

The data's right there in the report.
http://nesn.com/2015/05/read-the-entire-ted-wells-report-on-patriots-deflategate-controversy/

Every single one of the Pats balls tested significantly lower than the Colts balls. If cold weather caused the low readings, why didn't it affect both teams balls the same?

Go read the report by the Nobel prize winning Chemist. Facts dont have a side Einstein

You have confirmation bias up the wazoo and it's pretty funny to see

 

[Mr Janny]

A 2 psi loss from what starting values?

Walt Anderson said that when he checked the balls before the game, all of the Pats balls were in the 12.5 to 12.6 range, and all of the Colts were at 12.9 or 13.0. When they checked at halftime, the Colts the lowest Colt ball had lost .85 PSI. The lowest Pat ball had lost 2 PSI. Only two of the 11 Pats balls had similar PSI loss to the worst of the Colts balls.

 

[rholtgraves]

That could explain some variance, sure. But, no Colts balls showed more than a .8 PSI loss for the entire game. Some of the Pats balls lost almost 2 PSI in a single half. That's a disparity.

That's simply not true

 

[rholtgraves]

Walt Anderson said that when he checked the balls before the game, all of the Pats balls were in the 12.5 to 12.6 range, and all of the Colts were at 12.9 or 13.0. When they checked at halftime, the Colts the lowest Colt ball had lost .85 PSI. The lowest Pat ball had lost 2 PSI. Only two of the 11 Pats balls had similar PSI loss to the worst of the Colts balls.

Wrong again

 

[Mr Janny]

Go read the report by the Nobel prize winning Chemist. Facts dont have a side Einstein

You have confirmation bias up the wazoo and it's pretty funny to see

Doesn't take a Nobel Prize to understand that the Pats balls shouldn't be deflating at a different rate than the Colts.

 

[Mr Janny]

That's simply not true

Wrong again

you say that, but those are the numbers stated in the Wells report, measured by multiple gauges, and witnessed by multiple people. Anderson stated what his pregame measurements were, and they clearly listed what the halftime measurements were.

and you accuse me of confirmation bias? When your responses consist of more than "wrong again" you might convince me of something. until then, your arguments amount to little more than farts in the wind.

 

[CyJack13]

Walt Anderson said that when he checked the balls before the game, all of the Pats balls were in the 12.5 to 12.6 range, and all of the Colts were at 12.9 or 13.0. When they checked at halftime, the Colts the lowest Colt ball had lost .85 PSI. The lowest Pat ball had lost 2 PSI. Only two of the 11 Pats balls had similar PSI loss to the worst of the Colts balls.

Are the pregame check psi values listed in the report anywhere? Or is that what the refs recalled them being at from memory after the fact? It's also extremely odd that when the measured the ball that the Colts had intercepted three times with the same guage that got three different readings varying by as much as four tenths, yet some how all of the Pats balls and all of the Colts balls were within a tenth of each other during the pregame check.

 

[CTTB78]

Are the pregame check psi values listed in the report anywhere? Or is that what the refs recalled them being at from memory after the fact? ....

Not sure what Shifty Roger paid for the report, but from what I read (admittedly did not read all of it) it is a sloppy investigative piece at best.
For $45 million per year, I would not be happy with Roger's 'leadership' if I was an owner.

 

[Wesley]

Yeah, I'm not at all saying I think those types of words would hold up when it comes to the appeals or anything like that. I honestly know nothing about the court systems and what it takes to get a favorable judgement. I'm just saying I think that Brady really crapped the bed by destroying the cell phone. Like you said, the NFL has no proof, but by him doing that, he gave them some pretty good ammo in their trying to paint the picture of guilt. I'm with you in thinking that this is about WAY more than Tom Brady knowing/not knowing about deflated footballs at this point. Both sides are trying to prove a point in a big way.

Thought he turned his phone over to his lawyer and then bought a new one.

 

[Stormin]

Argue about the balls and deflation all you want. At this point the suspension is for conduct detrimental to the game. The Commissioner has wide latitude and power to make that determination. Brady destroyed his cell phone and was uncooperative in the investigation. That is what the 4 game suspension is for. This is the 2nd time that the Patriots organization has been involved in some form of cheating. Conduct detrimental to the game.

 

[Wesley]

Argue about the balls and deflation all you want. At this point the suspension is for conduct detrimental to the game. The Commissioner has wide latitude and power to make that determination. Brady destroyed his cell phone and was uncooperative in the investigation. That is what the 4 game suspension is for. This is the 2nd time that the Patriots organization has been involved in some form of cheating. Conduct detrimental to the game.

Hearing Brady did not destroy his phone from sources. This fact needs to be nailed down in court. His Lawyer may still have his phone.

 

[CyArob]

I still don't understand the big deal. NE was up 17-7 at halftime and Brady's passing was ~50% in the first half. Then they reinflated the balls and the Patriots destroyed Indy in the 2nd half.

 

[Mr Janny]

I still don't understand the big deal. NE was up 17-7 at halftime and Brady's passing was ~50% in the first half. Then they reinflated the balls and the Patriots destroyed Indy in the 2nd half.

Well, they've also made the playoffs 6 out the 7 years since they were told to stop spying on other teams, so does that mean that was no big deal either? Since they obviously were able to win a lot of games without doing it?

Whether or not you actually benefit from cheating doesn't make the cheating itself any more or less egregious. Now with that said, do I think a 4 game suspension is too harsh for this particular offense? Of course. It's a huge penalty. I won't defend the severity of the punishment at all. But, discretion as to what constitutes "conduct detrimental..." and the ability to determine the level of penalty is a power given to the commish under the CBA.

 

[3TrueFans]

Well, they've also made the playoffs 6 out the 7 years since they were told to stop spying on other teams, so does that mean that was no big deal either? Since they obviously were able to win a lot of games without doing it?

Whether or not you actually benefit from cheating doesn't make the cheating itself any more or less egregious. Now with that said, do I think a 4 game suspension is too harsh for this particular offense? Of course. It's a huge penalty. I won't defend the severity of the punishment at all. But, discretion as to what constitutes "conduct detrimental..." and the ability to determine the level of penalty is a power given to the commish under the CBA.

For now.

 

[Mr Janny]

For now.

No, it's pretty clearly spelled out that he does have that power. It's right there in the CBA.

"When a player is guilty of any other form of conduct reasonably judged
by the League Commissioner to be detrimental to the League or profes-
sional football, the Commissioner will have the right, but only after giving
Player the opportunity for a hearing at which he may be represented by
counsel of his choice, to fine Player in a reasonable amount; to suspend
Player for a period certain or indefinitely; and/or to terminate this
contract"

Now, Brady will try to argue that Goodell applied his power unreasonably, and that his appeal/hearing was unfair, but it's not a matter of opinion that the commish is granted power to decide "conduct detrimental" matters and mete out punishment, at least until the current CBA is in effect.

 

[3TrueFans]

http://deadspin.com/tom-brady-and-the-nflpa-sue-the-nfl-in-federal-court-ov-1720971303

Brady and the NFLPA have filed suit in Minnesota Federal Court. Depending on the validity of their arguments there is some potentially bad news for the league IMO.

 

[Mr Janny]

http://deadspin.com/tom-brady-and-the-nflpa-sue-the-nfl-in-federal-court-ov-1720971303

Brady and the NFLPA have filed suit in Minnesota Federal Court. Depending on the validity of their arguments there is some potentially bad news for the league IMO.

That makes sense for the NFLPA. They've gone to Doty before. He has been favorable to the union in the past. I'll be interested to see if the NFL's pre-emptive confirmation filing in NY, yesterday takes precedence. That was obviously the league's plan. It will be interesting to see how the venue is determined. That may be a big deciding factor on if Brady wins his appeal.

My personal prediction is that this will go down like AP. Brady will get his injunction, and possibly even win the initial ruling, but like AP, the NFL will appeal it, on the grounds that arbitration is supposed to be binding. The courts have generally tried to uphold arbitrator decisions, even bad ones, otherwise anytime someone lost in arbitration, they'd just run to court. That's not how it's supposed to work. The NFL is likely going to end up winning in the AP case, when all is said and done, and I'd guess that's what will happen here, too, but it may take long enough that Brady will have retired by the time the ruling actually come down.

 

[Mr Janny]

interesting twist. The judge assigned to the league's suit in NY, is Clinton appointee, and the judge assigned in the NFLPA's suit in Minnesota is not David Doty, as the union was probably hoping. Instead it's a Bush appointee. The union may want to argue this in New York, after all. Or it could mean nothing. The Minnesota judge very well could defer to Doty and let him take the case. Just a twist people may not have been expecting.

 

[Tedcyclone]

I dont understand why anyone ever cared. This is just stupid.