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On a variety of issues...just thought they were interesting. I remember posting an article on here a few years about a possible players strike and got blasted for it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...0709313&PID=6146927&SID=ieum3vmcqf001vmn00dth

“I’m glad the unionization process has cooled for right now,†Bowlsby said. “But the fact is — and it probably will be in the sport of men’s basketball — there will be a day in the future when the popcorn is popped, the TV cameras are there, the fans are in the stands and the team decides they’re not going to play. Mark my words. We will see that in the years ahead. We saw some of it for other reasons in the ’70s, but I really believe that we aren’t finished with the compensation issue or with the employee-vs.-student issue.â€

—Transfers: “Almost 50% of Division I men’s basketball players transfer at least once in their career. Almost 50%. That’s an embarrassment to higher education. It makes a mockery of it.â€

—Sales of alcoholic beverage at college sports events: “We are routinely selling alcohol at college games despite the fact that three-fourths of the college undergraduates are underage. Now, they don’t constitute the majority of most crowds. But it’s still highly symbolic in some obvious ways.â€

—Why so many college athletics programs run annual operating deficits: “They spend too much. … Institutions have taken on very large amounts of debt, mostly for facilities. They have paid coaches more than they can really afford to pay, especially in the case of not wanting to lose a coach. As a general statement, they are not particularly well-run enterprises a lot of times. … There are bad decisions being made not only in terms of how much is being spent, but what it’s being spent on.â€

—Conference expansion: He said the Big 12 “no active plans to add members†but has a composition committee comprised of three school presidents “and we constantly monitor the environment. … There are some good reasons to get bigger. There are some really good reasons to stay small.â€
However, in the larger picture, he cautioned: “I think the jury is still out as to whether these larger alignments really deliver anything other than television viewers and money. I think in the end, we’ve created a television product that is very difficult to compete against -- but if the quality of the TV product results in people staying home because they’re less interested, we will have lost significantly even though the money has flowed in.â€


The article I got blasted for a few years ago was this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/308643/

NCAA v. Regents left the NCAA devoid of television football revenue and almost wholly dependent on March Madness basketball. It is rich but insecure. Last year, CBS Sports and Turner Broadcasting paid $771 million to the NCAA for television rights to the 2011 men’s basketball tournament alone. That’s three-quarters of a billion dollars built on the backs of amateurs—on unpaid labor. The whole edifice depends on the players’ willingness to perform what is effectively volunteer work. The athletes, and the league officials, are acutely aware of this extraordinary arrangement. William Friday, the former North Carolina president, recalls being yanked from one Knight Commission meeting and sworn to secrecy about what might happen if a certain team made the NCAA championship basketball game. “They were going to dress and go out on the floor,†Friday told me, “but refuse to play,†in a wildcat student strike. Skeptics doubted such a diabolical plot. These were college kids—unlikely to second-guess their coaches, let alone forfeit the dream of a championship. Still, it was unnerving to contemplate what hung on the consent of a few young volunteers: several hundred million dollars in television revenue, countless livelihoods, the NCAA budget, and subsidies for sports at more than 1,000 schools. Friday’s informants exhaled when the suspect team lost before the finals.
 
That 50% number for Division I men's basketball players transferring at least once during their career seems high. I'd buy 30% or 40%, but 50% sounds quite extreme.
 
With regards to the transfer thing. Is it really a big deal if athletes are transferring schools, as long as they are still pursuing a degree? No one thinks its a big deal for a regular student to transfer to another school. I would guess the 50% transfer rate for athletes is not much different than the regular college student when you consider transferring to and from community colleges. It's like people think these kids transfer to another school, then never go to class again. What is our graduation rate with basketball transfers? I would guess 90-100%. In my opinion, it would be worse to force a player to stay at a school/program he doesn't want to be in. That's a perfect recipe for failure.
 
On a variety of issues...just thought they were interesting. I remember posting an article on here a few years about a possible players strike and got blasted for it.

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Welp, you've really showed us...
 
That 50% number for Division I men's basketball players transferring at least once during their career seems high. I'd buy 30% or 40%, but 50% sounds quite extreme.

It might be padded by including juco kids, even though they really aren't transferring, but moving along when their juco eligibility is finished. I think they still get counted as transfers.
 
That 50% number for Division I men's basketball players transferring at least once during their career seems high. I'd buy 30% or 40%, but 50% sounds quite extreme.

Is he including JUCO transfers in that stat, because that would obviously make it higher. Also, wonder if he's including non-scholarship players who sometimes start at a smaller school on scholarship then walk-on at a bigger school, or vice-versa.
 
I remember posting an article on here a few years about a possible players strike and got blasted for it.

You saved the link and everything. Must feel good to finally vindicate yourself!
 
On a variety of issues...just thought they were interesting. I remember posting an article on here a few years about a possible players strike and got blasted for it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...0709313&PID=6146927&SID=ieum3vmcqf001vmn00dth

“I’m glad the unionization process has cooled for right now,” Bowlsby said. “But the fact is — and it probably will be in the sport of men’s basketball — there will be a day in the future when the popcorn is popped, the TV cameras are there, the fans are in the stands and the team decides they’re not going to play. Mark my words. We will see that in the years ahead. We saw some of it for other reasons in the ’70s, but I really believe that we aren’t finished with the compensation issue or with the employee-vs.-student issue.”

No ****, Bob? How deep did you have to look your crystal ball to come up with this one? The O'Bannon case is still out there pending appeal, and Jeffery Kessler is just licking his chops at the opportunity to rip the NCAA a new one. Of course we're not finished with the compensation issue.


—Transfers: “Almost 50% of Division I men’s basketball players transfer at least once in their career. Almost 50%. That’s an embarrassment to higher education. It makes a mockery of it.”

No, that's the "student athletes" exercising one of the few avenues for change that they are afforded under the current system. A college athletic system based entirely around making profit is what makes a mockery of higher education.

—Sales of alcoholic beverage at college sports events: “We are routinely selling alcohol at college games despite the fact that three-fourths of the college undergraduates are underage. Now, they don’t constitute the majority of most crowds. But it’s still highly symbolic in some obvious ways.”

Pure pandering, here. He's not going to touch this issue with anything concrete.

—Why so many college athletics programs run annual operating deficits: “They spend too much. … Institutions have taken on very large amounts of debt, mostly for facilities. They have paid coaches more than they can really afford to pay, especially in the case of not wanting to lose a coach. As a general statement, they are not particularly well-run enterprises a lot of times. … There are bad decisions being made not only in terms of how much is being spent, but what it’s being spent on.”

Agree with him, here. I don't know what he can do about it, though.

—Conference expansion: He said the Big 12 “no active plans to add members” but has a composition committee comprised of three school presidents “and we constantly monitor the environment. … There are some good reasons to get bigger. There are some really good reasons to stay small.”
However, in the larger picture, he cautioned: “I think the jury is still out as to whether these larger alignments really deliver anything other than television viewers and money. I think in the end, we’ve created a television product that is very difficult to compete against -- but if the quality of the TV product results in people staying home because they’re less interested, we will have lost significantly even though the money has flowed in.”

The article I got blasted for a few years ago was this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/308643/

NCAA v. Regents left the NCAA devoid of television football revenue and almost wholly dependent on March Madness basketball. It is rich but insecure. Last year, CBS Sports and Turner Broadcasting paid $771 million to the NCAA for television rights to the 2011 men’s basketball tournament alone. That’s three-quarters of a billion dollars built on the backs of amateurs—on unpaid labor. The whole edifice depends on the players’ willingness to perform what is effectively volunteer work. The athletes, and the league officials, are acutely aware of this extraordinary arrangement. William Friday, the former North Carolina president, recalls being yanked from one Knight Commission meeting and sworn to secrecy about what might happen if a certain team made the NCAA championship basketball game. “They were going to dress and go out on the floor,” Friday told me, “but refuse to play,” in a wildcat student strike. Skeptics doubted such a diabolical plot. These were college kids—unlikely to second-guess their coaches, let alone forfeit the dream of a championship. Still, it was unnerving to contemplate what hung on the consent of a few young volunteers: several hundred million dollars in television revenue, countless livelihoods, the NCAA budget, and subsidies for sports at more than 1,000 schools. Friday’s informants exhaled when the suspect team lost before the finals.
 
Let them strike. Let them sit out a year and then go pro. Go play overseas, don't play if you don't like it. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to receive free college education in exchange for playing a game.
 
Regarding programs running a deficit, because they are technically non-profits, they have to spend any extra money they bring in. By either accounting trickery or actual spending, they can't show they are making big profits.
 
Regarding transfers, this topic came up on reddit yesterday.. it was mentioned that statisticall 30-40% of non-athletes transfer nowadays, so its far from a 'mockery'

Bowlsby is worse than Beebe.
 
Striking would go about as well for the college athletes as it did for nfl players. There's a reason why pretty much every labor dispute in professional sports the last 20 years have been lockouts and not strikes
 
That 50% number for Division I men's basketball players transferring at least once during their career seems high. I'd buy 30% or 40%, but 50% sounds quite extreme.

I don't see why that's an embarassment. I wonder what % of all college students attend a single college. Or what % of students change majors.

The fact is, if a student goes to Iowa State, attends for a year or 2, then decides that Iowa State isn't right for them, so they transfer another school, no one bats an eye. But if that player is an athlete, its frowned upon. The athlete must only be thinking of sports.

If a regular student has a horrible roommate or doesn't make any friends and decides to transfer, there is no issue. But if an athlete comes in and after one season doesn't make any friends and doesn't get along with people, its a problem.
 
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Pampered athletes looking to unionize. That is rich .

Here, why don't you trade places with some Syrian refugees and then tell us how rough your life is.

Appreciate the athletic gifts God gave you. Use them to the best of your ability. Enjoy the limelight that organized sports provides you, the benefits of a free education, the opportunities to achieve things in team sports that most of us could only dream of, and move on with your life.

Good grief.
 
Regarding programs running a deficit, because they are technically non-profits, they have to spend any extra money they bring in. By either accounting trickery or actual spending, they can't show they are making big profits.


Not true. Non-profits can make a profit. It's just that profit has to stay within that agency. The profit can't go to line the pockets of the boss or staff. Other than that, a non-profit is just like any other business in that it would not be a good idea to run it with a deficit or even a $0 sum balance.
 
Pampered athletes looking to unionize. That is rich .

Here, why don't you trade places with some Syrian refugees and then tell us how rough your life is.

Appreciate the athletic gifts God gave you. Use them to the best of your ability. Enjoy the limelight that organized sports provides you, the benefits of a free education, the opportunities to achieve things in team sports that most of us could only dream of, and move on with your life.

Good grief.

That's genius. Why waste time getting upset about or working towards changing problems that you see in your situation? You could be a Syrian refugee, after all. Better to just let it go, and shut up. That's just good life advice, period.

"The cable company overcharged us again this month."
"Hey, at least we're not Syrian refugees. Just pay it and keep quiet."

"I got mugged on the way home from work!"
"Syrian refugees don't even have jobs to get mugged on the way home from! They'd gladly trade places with you."

"The house is on fire!"
"Syrian refugees are homeless! Do you even know how callous you sound right now?"
 

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