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Booker's post game tweet

Percy needs to stop trying to create his own shot. Starting to think those circus shots he made last year were more luck than anything else.

Too bad he doesn't realize that his ability to rebound aggresively and play defense is really what the team needs from him. Instead he sucks on the D end and trys to create himself really bad shots on a team FULL of explosive offensive players.
 
Bigman38 said:
Are you talking about the big who had 20 points and 16 rebounds last night, or the big that is having a breakout freshman year?

are you also concerned that Hoiberg can't recruit guards? Quit trolling
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Does Niang play like a big? What big has Hoiberg had that actually played like one and played it well? Royce was not a true inside player. Neither is Niang. Maybe you should watch them play a little, and you might know something other than a box score.
 
ChrisMWilliams said:
Probably has something to do with both. There's no way you can say that Royce being there didn't make life easier on everybody last season, especially a guy like Gibson who the other team just basically ignored.
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Agreed, but it seems like Ejim is doing just fine without Royce, as are others.
 
brett108 said:
Does Niang play like a big? What big has Hoiberg had that actually played like one and played it well? Royce was not a true inside player. Neither is Niang. Maybe you should watch them play a little, and you might know something other than a box score.
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Royce plays on the outside well, but he was a dominate player on the block
 
brett108 said:
Does Niang play like a big? What big has Hoiberg had that actually played like one and played it well? Royce was not a true inside player. Neither is Niang. Maybe you should watch them play a little, and you might know something other than a box score.
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Yes
Ejim, Georges, Royce(at times), Gibson(last season).

Don't let a pesky thing like stats get your in the way of making your opinion. Are you brand new to basketball? Or brand new to ISU basketball? These are the best bigs ISU has had in a long time.
 
Bigman38 said:
Are you talking about the big who had 20 points and 16 rebounds last night, or the big that is having a breakout freshman year?
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Ejim isn't a big. He's been thrown into that position and he's playing his butt off, but he doesn't have the size to block the shots of or deter penetrators (which should be obvious from the way ISU is abused in the paint) or the size to finish on offense in a crowd of bigger players.

Last night, in OT, Ejim got the ball, put his defender on his back, and was two feet from the basket, with defenders closing in. He passed out for three that was missed. And I don't blame him for passing out, because his shot would have had a good chance of being blocked by the bigger defenders. With a true big, at a minimum, that play should have resulted in 2 FT attempts, and more likely a dunk and chance for a 3pt play. On another occasion in OT, Ejim was driving for a dunk and got blocked from behind by UT's center (who isn't exactly have jump-out-of-the-gym capability). Another time in OT, he got pushed to the floor fighting for position, which resulted in a TO.

Ejim is playing his heart out at a position that he doesn't have the size and strength for right now. I sincerely hope he is being forced to play post because of the issues with Booker and Gibson, and that Hoiberg doesn't expect a 6'6" 230 pound kid to enforce the post in the Big 12.
 
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jbhtexas said:
Ejim isn't a big. He's been thrown into that position and he's playing his butt off, but he doesn't have the size to block the shots of penetrators (which should be obvious from the way ISU is abused in the paint) or the size to finish on offense in a crowd of bigger players.

Last night, in OT, Ejim got the ball, put his defender on his back, and was two feet from the basket, with defenders closing in. He passed out for three that was missed. And I don't blame him for passing out, because his shot would have had a good chance of being blocked by the bigger defenders. With a true big, at a minimum, that play should have resulted in 2 FT attempts, and more likely a dunk and chance for a 3pt play. On another occasion in OT, Ejim was driving for a dunk and got blocked from behind by UT's center. Another time in OT, he got pushed to the floor fighting for position, which resulted in a TO.

Ejim is playing his heart out at a position that he doesn't have the size and strength for right now. I sincerely hope he is being forced to play post because of the issues with Booker and Gibson, and that Hoiberg doesn't expect a 6'6" 230 pound kid to enforce the post in the Big 12.
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go look at other big 12 teams rosters, Ejim isn't nearly as undersized for the 4 as you think he is.
 
ChrisMWilliams said:
Yeah and the way Iowa State plays, seeing big 7-footers doesn't really help you much. I mean look at the good Missouri teams a few years ago. 6-8 or so was about as big as they got.
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We have ONE guy good at defense over 6'5 on the team and that is Ejim. Right now I would settle for a couple great 6'8 defenders.
 
ajk4st8 said:
We have ONE guy good at defense over 6'5 on the team and that is Ejim. Right now I would settle for a couple great 6'8 defenders.
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And I'm pretty sure that's why see Fred recruiting JUCO bigs that can come in next year and help out defensively.
 
ChrisMWilliams said:
Yeah and the way Iowa State plays, seeing big 7-footers doesn't really help you much. I mean look at the good Missouri teams a few years ago. 6-8 or so was about as big as they got.
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Well, yeah, if your team happens to be as athletic as MU was a few years ago, and on defense, can guard so that your opponent isn't constantly blowing by on the perimeter and getting into the paint, and on offense, athletic enough to penetrate and get easy hoops, then maybe you don't need a a skilled big person. But ISU isn't like that, and in fact, isn't anywhere close to being like those MU teams were.

If you look over the history of the Big 12, those MU teams were the exception, not the rule. You can look at ISU's own history...any time ISU has been an upper Big 8/12 team, they have had a strong post presence (Meyer, Cato, Fizer, Homan, White). KU, who has been dominated the Big 12 for the past several years, always had one or two skilled big men.

A skilled 6'10" - 7' post player would help ISU immensely right now.
 
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jbhtexas said:
Well, yeah, if your team happens to be as athletic as MU was a few years ago, and on defense, can guard so that your opponent isn't constantly blowing by on the perimeter and getting into the paint, and on offense, athletic enough to penetrate and get easy hoops, then maybe you don't need a a skilled big person. But ISU isn't like that, and in fact, isn't anywhere close to being like those MU teams were.

If you look over the history of the Big 12, those MU teams were the exception, not the rule. You can look at ISU's own history...any time ISU has been an upper Big 8/12 team, they have had a strong post presence (Meyer, Cato, Fizer, Homan, White). A skilled 6'10" - 7' post player would help ISU immensely right now.
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Well, duh. Every team would love to have a skilled 7 footer. That's why they're so hard to come by. And Fred isn't going to recruit bigs just to recruit bigs. They have to fit his style of play.
 
gocubs2118 said:
Well, duh. Every team would love to have a skilled 7 footer. That's why they're so hard to come by. And Fred isn't going to recruit bigs just to recruit bigs. They have to fit his style of play.
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Apparently it's not as "duh" as you think, since Williams said just above that 7-footers wouldn't help ISU that much. Why don't you get on his case?

And where did I say that Hoiberg should recruit bigs just to recruit bigs? It seems pretty clear that ISU has a post deficiency this year. You yourself said that Hoiberg is out recruiting JUCO bigs to deal with the issue.
 
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jbhtexas said:
Well, yeah, if your team happens to be as athletic as MU was a few years ago, and on defense, can guard so that your opponent isn't constantly blowing by on the perimeter and getting into the paint, and on offense, athletic enough to penetrate and get easy hoops, then maybe you don't need a a skilled big person. But ISU isn't like that, and in fact, isn't anywhere close to being like those MU teams were.

If you look over the history of the Big 12, those MU teams were the exception, not the rule. You can look at ISU's own history...any time ISU has been an upper Big 8/12 team, they have had a strong post presence (Meyer, Cato, Fizer, Homan, White). KU, who has been dominated the Big 12 for the past several years, always had one or two skilled big men.

A skilled 6'10" - 7' post player would help ISU immensely right now.
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Neither Fizer or White were 6'10". They are both about 6'8". Now Homan was a big Dude and physical.
 
brett108 said:
Does Niang play like a big? What big has Hoiberg had that actually played like one and played it well? Royce was not a true inside player. Neither is Niang. Maybe you should watch them play a little, and you might know something other than a box score.
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Royce played defense well, like a true big. He gave us exactly what we needed both offensively and defensively last year. That wasn't an accident.
 
Fred knows what he's doing and this team is just a few bad breaks (and bad calls) away from being near the top of the conference, so there's no reason to panic. I thought last night the big mistake was Will not covering Papawhatshisname after he inbounded the pass, and he was left wide open for a great look at a 3. I'm sure Will was expecting the foul to occur right away, so again some bad luck to go along with some bad breaks. But the NCAA is still out there for us and we're good enough to get there. It would help if the breaks at the end of games would even out a little, and maybe that will happen. Now if we don't bounce back Saturday, then we worry, but I don't expect that to happen.
 
I do really feel for Booker, I'm not saying he doesn't have some blame to put on himself but it's gotta be tough to watch Gibson get all the playing time ahead of him. Gibson's +/- spread would be pretty incredible to see lately. Unfortunately, neither one of our bigs fit into our system very well this year. Hopefully that'll change next year but as of now, they just take up space and clog the offense it seems.
 
I have not been a big fan of Booker this year, but I have to feel for him on this one. I mean put yourself in his shoes. You seemingly get your act together against OU, probably get some back slaps from the team and coaches, plus some nice tweets......then you sit out the next two games (both losses) while the guy ahead of you scores no points, gets one rebound, and commits 2 fouls in those same two games. What message is sent to you? What would your attitude be?
 
Percy was good when no one knew how strong he was going left. He needs to spend all summer developing a right hand. Then he'll be more useful.
 
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