I agree 8 would've been ideal. But it's not what we've got.
Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate
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You implied that they were like their 90 teams, which is not true, they came into the B10 and dominated the west until they fired their coach.
I did? Lol.
When they joined the B1G they were in the Legends Division and finished 3rd, 1st, 2nd (tied), and 2nd (tied) before they fired Pelini. I'd hardly call that "dominating" their division.
You keep throwing out the narrative that many EIU fans do, the idea that Nebraska was rolling along and then joined the B10 and immediately started losing. Which is not true, Nebraska had continued to win at a high pace with Fickle as the head coach, but that was not good enough for their fan base. So they fired him, and immediately the team started losing. Pelini had them back to that level, but the fan base hated him and he hated them. The B10 also did them no favors, in 2011 they had Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State. Michigan State and Wisconsin, they had basically the same schedule the next season. The league did not want the new team to win the league, and Nebraska still got to the championship game once those two years.
Similar to how Nebraska played for the b10 title in their first or second year in and Mizzou played for the SEC title in their second year in the sec.
They were good, not great anymore. After they ran off Pelini for only winning 9 games a year, they’ve made a couple of poor hires and have entered into a nose dive.
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Why in the world would you think that? I know it's a new year, but ASU was quite competitive with the top of the SEC last year, and Utah has been competitive with Oregon for years. You are buying the BS from the networks hook line and sinker.
They actually fell off a cliff around a decade earlier, but good try. Their hope was that with a new fresh conference they would return to their former glory. Sort of like Oklahoma and Texas hadn't been lighting up the Big 12 when they left until the final year Texas finally did something.
Uhh, what is the point here?
Utah has finished in the Top 25 a total of 12 times going back to when Urban Meyer was hired in 2003. That includes two Top 5 finishes, one of which was a 13-0 season where they absolutely obliterated Nick Saban’s 12-1 ‘Bama squad in the Sugar Bowl.
The last time they played in Ames (2010) they put up 68 points.
They would have contended for titles just as often in the Big 12 as in the PAC-12.
Last year was arguably an anomaly (but hopefully the beginning of a new era). It happens. Look at ASU. They were mediocre-to-terrible for most of their time in the PAC-x, but their first Big 12 season went OK…
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And split their last two games against Paul Rhoads’s ISU teams (including a 1 pt OT win when Rhoads decided to go for 2 and failed).
Truth be told the Big 12 North was not all that much tougher than the Big 10 West. The split was pretty lopsided.
Also, remember how their Big 10 era started?
2011: 3rd in the “Legends” (9-4)
2012: 1st in the “Legends (10-4)
2013: 2nd in the “Legends” (9-4)
2014: 2nd in the West (9-4)
That 2012 season was the first time they’d lost 1 (or fewer) games in conference in 12 seasons.
That was deemed bad enough to get Pellini fired.
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Barely beating Iowa was the final straw in Pellini's coffin.
Nebraska's slide was well on it's way when they joined Legends and Leaders.
Which is why Iowa pounding their chest about the Big 10 is so ******* stupid.
If you put Iowa in the Big 12 and Iowa State in the Big 10, neither conferences financial position would change, and neither conference's perception would change.
They got lucky to have rich daddies that enjoy subsidizing their position. That's it.
How long does convention and tradition last?
Keep adding mercenaries from around the nation in a made-for-TV conference, and the top schools may eventually leave in order to stop subsidizing the legacy BIG
I think that's a very real possibility.
Or at least unequal revenue sharing. Like they could stay in the Big 10, but they have to take something similar to Big 12/ACC pay and the brands get more.
Honestly, I'd love to see the Top 15-20 brands in the sport go off and do their own thing. All of our nearby Big 10 and SEC schools likely aren't making that cut (maybe, maybe Nebraska) and we could have a schedule that makes sense.
Oh absolutely just a matter of time before Ohio State and Michigan get sick of getting the same size of the pie as Northwestern and Rutgers.
I’m convinced this will either be done in a renegotiated TV deal or in a backhanded way.
B1G will eventually have a mini-playoff to assist with seeding for the CFP. It’ll be monetized and the participating schools will get larger pay outs.
