Cyclonepride
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Turn me loose Coach, and I'll cut a swath that'll make Sherman's march through Georgia seem kind
Big 12 POY
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Turn me loose Coach, and I'll cut a swath that'll make Sherman's march through Georgia seem kind
Turn me loose Coach, and I'll cut a swath that'll make Sherman's march through Georgia seem kind
Who needs to tear up railroads and burn Atlanta when you can tear through profiles and burn IP Addresses.
Call me crazy, but I think Staten deserves some votes. Without him WVU would be in the bottom 3 in conference.
Hard to see Wiggins not getting it. I think Ejim would have had a real good chance but he has not been that good the last 4 games, and at least two of those were affected by his choices with technicals.
I don't mean this to seem like a slight to Ejim who is really good but I really think Kane would be my choice for ISU. He puts up a ton of stats and is more versatile. If the game is on the line its not going to be in Ejim's hand it will be in Kane or Niang's hand.
I don't mean this to seem like a slight to Ejim who is really good but I really think Kane would be my choice for ISU. He puts up a ton of stats and is more versatile. If the game is on the line its not going to be in Ejim's hand it will be in Kane or Niang's hand.
Against TCU? Yes.
ISU lead 10+ for the last 8:38? Yes.
Ejim scored 22 of his 48 in the last 8:38? Yes.
I would call having a 10+ point leead for all of the last 8:38 of a game at home against the worst team in the conference an "easy win". I am not saying Ejim's game was not a great accomplishment. It was. I just see hanging 41 on the road against a team fighting for the tourney (who beat ISU by 25 in the same gym) as a slightly more impressive accomplishment. I don't think that's a slight to Ejim at all.
Cyclonepride
Thought Police
In their last eight games:
Ejim: 14.125 ppg, 8.75 rpg
Wiggins: 19.125 ppg, 5.6 rpg
Ejim had my vote for a long time as well but I think he has had numerous off games down the stretch while Wiggins has been much more consistently productive down the stretch.
CycloneErik
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Well, the part where they closed that 25 point lead to something less horrific was probably impressive.
Again, if we want to tie TEAM results to it then we'll have to downplay Ejim's performances in each of ISU's seven losing performances during conference as well. It's not a one way street.
I agree. The kid gave both ISU and KU fits in their games. That kids really good. I think four or five players may get first place votes in Ejim, Kane, Wiggins, Staten and Smart.
I posted this is another thread, but should post it here:
Everyone played the same schedule (except against each other) so the overall conference stats are a fair comparison. These clearly show Ejim was the better player this year. And when I add Kane, he had a better season than Wiggins too.
2013-14 Men's Basketball Conference Statistics - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site
Scoring
Kane 18.4
Ejim 18.3
Wiggins 17.6
Rebounding
Ejim 8.9
Kane 6.2
Wiggins 6.2
FG Pct
Ejim 50.6%
Kane 48.3%
Wiggins 45.2%
Assists
Kane 5.78
Wiggins and Ejim not top 15
FT Pct
Ejim 79.3%
Wiggins 76.4%
Kane not top 15
Steals
Kane 1.50
Wiggins 1.28
Ejim not top 15
3-pt FG Pct
Neither top 15
3-pt FG Made
Neither top 15
Blocked Shots
Wiggins .94
Ejim .83
Kane not top 15
A 2 TO Ratio
Kane 1.82
Wiggins and Ejim Top 12
Everyone played the same schedule (except against each other) so the overall conference stats are a fair comparison. These clearly show Ejim was the better player this year. And when I add Kane, he had a better season than Wiggins too.
2013-14 Men's Basketball Conference Statistics - Big 12 Conference - Official Athletic Site
Scoring
Kane 18.4
Ejim 18.3
Wiggins 17.6
Rebounding
Ejim 8.9
Kane 6.2
Wiggins 6.2
FG Pct
Ejim 50.6%
Kane 48.3%
Wiggins 45.2%
Assists
Kane 5.78
Wiggins and Ejim not top 15
FT Pct
Ejim 79.3%
Wiggins 76.4%
Kane not top 15
Steals
Kane 1.50
Wiggins 1.28
Ejim not top 15
3-pt FG Pct
Neither top 15
3-pt FG Made
Neither top 15
Blocked Shots
Wiggins .94
Ejim .83
Kane not top 15
A 2 TO Ratio
Kane 1.82
Wiggins and Ejim Top 12
You ignore the fact that part of the reason KU was down 25 was a zillion ticky tack fouls called against KU, right?
I'd love to say that voters take a long time to thoughtfully break down all statistical components but they tend to be lazy "what have I seen lately" folks. Realistically, it will be a factor.
while i would love ejim to win it, I would have no problem with any of four guys winning it (ejim, kane, wiggins, staten). All deserve it. Ejim was the run-away leader up until the last hand full of games i think. But he was riding the bench at the end of too many games this season imho.
