The oxymoron here is quite humorous. Since when is a month the equivalent of an instant? Last time that was true was the 19th century.
Barnett to start against Texas Tech
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The oxymoron here is quite humorous. Since when is a month the equivalent of an instant? Last time that was true was the 19th century.
i think steele is more injured than we thought he was he was throwing exclusively off of his back foot today and the injured one is the foot he plants on to he couldnt put any zip onto it without following through i think he'll sit for a week or two to heal and then he may or may not be back depending on how barnett plays
I think Jantz is hurting worse then was leading on, IMO when healthy is probably better overall then JB. Jantz has not been healthy since UConn game(where he actually got injured). To me when JB got in there were flashes of what a true mobile QB that is not injured can do in our offense, ala Jantz in Iowa game.....
Jantz has demonstrated some serious big-play ability when he's healthy. Barnett seemed steadier, but I didn't see that spark. His arm is a little weaker than Jantz, so he's going to have a harder time throwing into windows, but his good decision making is making up for that.
There's a reason Jantz has started up to this point. We saw flashes in the UNI game, entire Iowa game, and 2nd half of UConn. He's a talented athlete, but there's a dark side to his brilliance, which is a tendency to make bad mistakes, plus he's still likely hurt.
Barnett had a good game for a RS freshman playing a ranked team (but awful pass defense). We'll see what he does next week. If Barnett struggles and Jantz is healthy, I could see a healthy Jantz getting on the field next week, and think it will be open competition all spring/summer next year with Richardson in the mix. I think Jantz is athletic enough to move to WR, however, if he gets beat out.
Agree on all points, especially the bolded part. I think he has looked tentative for the last three games.
Exactly why it was a great job by CPR to name Barnett as the starter for next week now. Let Barnett take all the snaps this week to work on timing and reads.
I honestly don't agree about Jantz having a much bigger upside, at least in the time he has left at ISU. His passing completion percentage from JC doesn't indicate that. It was 59% last year, and that simply isn't good enough for the Big 12. As I indicated in another thread, Jantz had alot of throwing yards last year, but he appeared to play on a team with a very good defense that gave him the ball alot. He may have a big upside because of his athletic ability, but I think it will take several years to develop because of his newness to the QB position. He doesn't have several years of eligibility left. We'll see...
I think I made a poor choice of words with upside.
I meant big play potential.
I trust Barnett to get us into less 3rd and longs. However, once in that situation, I have more trust that Jantz could get us out.
I meant big play potential.
I trust Barnett to get us into less 3rd and longs. However, once in that situation, I have more trust that Jantz could get us out.
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Yeah the biggest problem is our offense cant score 20 pts in a league where you must score 45 pts to have a chance to win....
I'm not buying into the "Jantz hasn't been the same since he injured his ankle" argument at all.
Go back to the posts after the UNI game. I think we quickly forget that Jantz stunk it up for 3 1/2 quarters of that game. And he went 0-4 with 3 INTs on his first 4 throws of the UCONN game, or something like that, all BEFORE he injured his ankle at the end of the 1st half of the UCONN game.
Jantz has shown the ability at times to make plays that probably only he can make. That is a fact. That is what is so exciting about him.
HOWEVER, he has made crucial mistakes time and time again that have really cost his team. I think the coaching staff just kept thinking he would eventually get over making these stupid mistakes, but we're now 7 games into the season and and he comes out and throws WAY too high on his first throw of the game, which lead to yet another first drive turnover. That was not a difficult throw at all, probably around 8 yds or so, and Lenz jumped as high as he could and could only manage to barely get a hand on it.
The coaching staff then gave Jantz another chance, and he gets a ball tipped and nearly intercepted again.... followed up by a 10 yd throw to Money that Money had no chance of even getting a hand on. It was just too much for Rhoads to stomach any longer at that point, and I don't blame him a bit.
Barnett showed yesterday that he's WAY more accurate than Jantz, if only the WR's could catch a ball for him. I'm not saying Barnett is great, but he allowed us to stay in the ballgame. And remember, Barnett had to come into the game cold off the bench. I thought he did pretty well for being thrown into such a tough situation. He didn't get the luxury of his first playing time coming against UNI like Jantz did.... he got Texas A&M. He looked like he was really in control and not afraid of anything at all. And the coaches weren't afraid to let Barnett throw down the field either, like they were with Tiller. I think they have a lot of faith in Barnett's passing ability.
So, yes, Jantz might have an ankle that hurts, although he seems to run on it just as good as he ever has IMO. But the fact is... Jantz was bad before he hurt his ankle too. He leads the nation in turnovers for crying out loud. He was horrible for over 3 quarters against UNI, and threw 3 INTs in the first quarter against UCONN all before getting injured. He played pretty well against Iowa, although accounted for 2 fumbles in that game too.
The ankle is just an excuse being used by Jantz apologists IMO. The fact is, Jantz on occasions this year has come back to win games that he almost cost us in the first place. As I said, he can make some amazing plays now and again, but his inconsistency just can't be overcome every single week.
I really think next year will be a battle between Barnett and Richardson. Time to look to the future. Jantz has a trait that is sometimes good for QB's to have and sometimes bad IMO. He has the ability to tune out the last play he just made and not let it affect him. However, I think that same trait also means he has the propensity to make those same mistakes over and over again because he doesn't seem to learn from them and realize how critically they cost his team.
Let's ride Barnett and see what he can do with some actual game preparation for a week. Maybe at some point we'll need to go back to Jantz if Barnett isn't progressing, so maybe Jantz should keep his head in the game too, in case we need him. Just a thought.
Go back to the posts after the UNI game. I think we quickly forget that Jantz stunk it up for 3 1/2 quarters of that game. And he went 0-4 with 3 INTs on his first 4 throws of the UCONN game, or something like that, all BEFORE he injured his ankle at the end of the 1st half of the UCONN game.
Jantz has shown the ability at times to make plays that probably only he can make. That is a fact. That is what is so exciting about him.
HOWEVER, he has made crucial mistakes time and time again that have really cost his team. I think the coaching staff just kept thinking he would eventually get over making these stupid mistakes, but we're now 7 games into the season and and he comes out and throws WAY too high on his first throw of the game, which lead to yet another first drive turnover. That was not a difficult throw at all, probably around 8 yds or so, and Lenz jumped as high as he could and could only manage to barely get a hand on it.
The coaching staff then gave Jantz another chance, and he gets a ball tipped and nearly intercepted again.... followed up by a 10 yd throw to Money that Money had no chance of even getting a hand on. It was just too much for Rhoads to stomach any longer at that point, and I don't blame him a bit.
Barnett showed yesterday that he's WAY more accurate than Jantz, if only the WR's could catch a ball for him. I'm not saying Barnett is great, but he allowed us to stay in the ballgame. And remember, Barnett had to come into the game cold off the bench. I thought he did pretty well for being thrown into such a tough situation. He didn't get the luxury of his first playing time coming against UNI like Jantz did.... he got Texas A&M. He looked like he was really in control and not afraid of anything at all. And the coaches weren't afraid to let Barnett throw down the field either, like they were with Tiller. I think they have a lot of faith in Barnett's passing ability.
So, yes, Jantz might have an ankle that hurts, although he seems to run on it just as good as he ever has IMO. But the fact is... Jantz was bad before he hurt his ankle too. He leads the nation in turnovers for crying out loud. He was horrible for over 3 quarters against UNI, and threw 3 INTs in the first quarter against UCONN all before getting injured. He played pretty well against Iowa, although accounted for 2 fumbles in that game too.
The ankle is just an excuse being used by Jantz apologists IMO. The fact is, Jantz on occasions this year has come back to win games that he almost cost us in the first place. As I said, he can make some amazing plays now and again, but his inconsistency just can't be overcome every single week.
I really think next year will be a battle between Barnett and Richardson. Time to look to the future. Jantz has a trait that is sometimes good for QB's to have and sometimes bad IMO. He has the ability to tune out the last play he just made and not let it affect him. However, I think that same trait also means he has the propensity to make those same mistakes over and over again because he doesn't seem to learn from them and realize how critically they cost his team.
Let's ride Barnett and see what he can do with some actual game preparation for a week. Maybe at some point we'll need to go back to Jantz if Barnett isn't progressing, so maybe Jantz should keep his head in the game too, in case we need him. Just a thought.
I don't get the "upside" talk on Jantz. The guy has played well in 1 game this season and that game came against a team that made a freshman yesterday look like the second coming of Vince Young. Jantz has done nothing consistently all season aside from turn the ball over. I litterally bought a round yesterday when Barnett came in. Might be too little too late at this point. You just wonder how the Baylor and Texas games would have gone without the Jantz turnovers. And like I mention in this thread, Jantz is done to me. His attitude on the sideline was not that of a leader.
Barnett also had the fumble along the sidelines that got kicked forward 5 yards and then rolled OB. ISU didn't lose the ball the 2 times JB put it on the ground, but the people who are saying that Barnett did such a great job of protecting the ball are wearing some Barnett-colored glasses methinks. I'm not trying to dog on the kid, I'm all for seeing what he can do as the starter. But he's definitely got to squeeze the ball better.
The announcer in the Texas game said "you can make mistakes like that against UNI, against Iowa and against UCONN........but not against Texas". Well guess what.......it's not just Texas. And realistically, we would have not won any of these games without mistakes. But there is no sense in giving the other team the hammer to beat you. Make them earn it. And if JB isn't going to give it away....all things being equal......the job is his.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSST23SGp04]" No Guts, No Glory ! " - Jack Hoffman - YouTube[/ame]
Does this video even make sense to this thread? No, but I just freakin love it.
Does this video even make sense to this thread? No, but I just freakin love it.
ironic since we beat the future BCS national champions Iowa during that stretch as well.:biglaugh:...so ya it wasn't an instant we were the better team that day.
how dare you state the reality of the situation! everything must be positive! :realmad:
I think Jantz has proven he should not be starting games. His first quarters have been plain awful. Maybe sprinkle him in on a few drives in the 2nd or 3rd, but this is time to see what Barnett can do. Jantz had his chance and he was a turnover machine.
I can agree with this. Jatz is definitely more of a big play guy, but it was the word 'upside' that I was getting hung up on.
