Yep...the NBA is always drafting based upon the potential someone has...how will their size, athleticism, skill set translate to the NBA? That is what they look at...not their college stat line.
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Yep...the NBA is always drafting based upon the potential someone has...how will their size, athleticism, skill set translate to the NBA? That is what they look at...not their college stat line.
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Can you point to the part of our play that shows we could be there next year? Thanks in advance.
The other items listed are either just fluff or can be done in the NBA. Plenty of guys bulk up and round out their game at that level. Education? Meh...money > education.
If we showed some potential to do the things you listed (that I put in bold), I would feel very different about CB staying. But, since we repeatedly show we're nowhere close to competing for a conference title and won't even be in the NIT this year, I'm not seeing the hope for these things. We need to be in the NCAA tournament next year for the sake of the program and Greg's job - but need is not always followed up with reality. Especially when that need is so, so far away.
Somehow I figured you'd reply with something like that.
Bottom line is he's still got PLENTY of reason to stay in college. Dam right the things I've listed above are worth sticking around for. I never said we're close to competing for a conference title. But it's a goal Brackins should have. It's something he should be striving to accomplish while he's in college. No "fluff" about it, should be reality. You're not seeing hope? Fine, I couldn't care less. But I hope Craig's got hope. Hope that bigger things really are to come. I wonder how many "big laughs smilies" you would have put after the 98-99 season if someone mentioned an NCAA tourney run for the next year?
Craig Brackins.
PS. :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh: ...man those things are stupid.
The reality is that his draft status will not be firmed up until he attends the pre-draft camp where they do a complete physical inventory of him and he plays against other potential draftees.
Sometimes guys "come out of nowhere" at this and become high draft picks...sometimes guys with big reps come in and lose draft status.
Hopefully, McDermott will do what all quality coaches do with a kid of this caliber...encourage them to keep their options open (meaning do not sign with an agent and do attend the pre-draft events). Most coaches will seek out trusted opinions from experts they know to try and help the kid determine where he will be drafted. If it is in the lottery then it is likely a "no brainer" to go pro. If you are not in the lottery but in round 1...well, that is a tough one. If you are in round 2 then you should probably stay another year. Again, a quality coach will try to help a kid make a smart decision for him and his family.
If Brackins goes pro and is a lottery pick...you really cannot hold that against McDermott. Frankly, we should strive to have kids regularly selected that high from our program.
1. You are 100 % correct and we will continue to discuss this unfortunately till the middle of June....
2. Mac is and has recommended exactly what you have stated.
3. For all those that say Greg has no eye for B12 talent, He could have very well recruited 3 NBA caliber players in his 3 years Michael Taylor, Wes Johnson, and Craig Brackins.........I'm just disappointed as I'm sure Mac is that these 3 have not equated into more wins for the program.
I would agree, the power forwards in the NBA would eat him up right now. He's not ready physically, or with his ball handling skill, and yes you do need to drive to the hoop, HARD.
But I wish him nothing but the best............ after next year!!!:notworthy:
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Before the debate continues, has anyone actually read the article? If so, does it say he is going to test the NBA waters or is he planning on staying?
If he says he is going to look at his options, then the debate can start.
If he says he is going to look at his options, then the debate can start.
Pretty much says he is just thinking about winning this season. Doesn't really talk about the NBA at all.
A couple things to consider about the 09 draft: 1)its is extremely weak in big men 2) scouts have it ranked considerably lower than 07 & 08 3)late first rounders are guaranteed at least a million. #25 of the 08 draft is making 1 million this year and #30 is making 950,000 + it increases in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th years. Brackins is a projected first rounder on Draftexpress (#20) and nbadraft.net (#30). If he continues his 20/10 average he likely given the lack of bigs in this draft and his considerable potential he goes anywhere from 15-22- that's around guaranteed 1.7 mil- 1.2 in first year salary which is a considerable amount of money. Now, I expect Brackins stock to raise- if he played for a bigger name school I think he would be a projected lotto pick by now. He can either chose the NBA and guaranteed money or school; its going to a tough choice for him.
He is likely a first rounder at minimum at this point IMO, the fact that he is a bigman in a guard heavy draft basically guarentees that. Add the fact that he is a PF that can stroke it out to 3 point land, while still has a decent post game and is a great rebounder and it moves him up to mid first round range.
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You may be right but there is a big difference in being selected in the 20s and being a lottery pick.
Let's say Brackins is selected #20 in the 2009 NBA draft (that's probably too high IMO). Based on 2008 $$, he would make this:
Year 1 - $1,063,000 Guaranteed
Year 2 - $1,143,000 Guaranteed
Year 3 - $1,223,000 Team Option
Year 4 - $1,886,000 Team Option
Total $ after 2 years - $2,206,000
Total $ after 4 years - $5,315,000
Let's say he stays and in 2010 he is selected at #8 overall.
Year 1 - $1,749,000
Year 2 - $1,880,000
Year 3 - $2,011,000
Year 4 - $2,564,000
Total $ after 2 years - $3,629,000
Total $ after 4 years - $8,204,000
That is a big difference. And if he stays and moves up into the top 8, he will get even more money.
Signing out of the first round means you can bomb in the NBA at the start and still be set for life. Not so much for second round.
I would be that many players would tell you this isn't true. If you are a late first rounder and only make it in the league for 2 years, you can make under $1.7 million. Assuming 40% goes to taxes and another 10% goes to an agent, that leaves you will $850,000. And you just know most of these guys buy a ton of toys and/or spend a good chunk right away (just like most of us would). That may leave someone with $500,000 or less for the rest of their lives. Most of these guys are 20 year old kids...try living on $500k for the next 40-50 years of your life and see how far it gets you.
Which is why if I was Brackins, I'd want to give myself the best chance at staying in the league for 4 years and be as high as pick as possible. And if scouts/teams are telling him he has no chance at moving up in the draft by staying another year, then he should leave after this year.
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The more scouts see you the more they can see your flaws. I remember guys like DeVon Hardin, Josh Heytvelt, Trent Plaisted, Tyler Hansborough, Josh McRoberts being heavily touted as mid to late first rounders only for them to stay in school and have their stock plummet dramatically into mid to late 2nds. Look at Roy Hibbert- projected top 5 pick in 07- stays in school and drops all the way to 17th in 08. Look at the draft right now and Hasheem Thabeet is basically the only player that could have gone in 07 or 08 whose stock has risen. Joakim Noah could have been the first player chosen in 06 but he stayed in school and dropped to 9 in 07. Players stock doesn't generally raise if they stay in school. This next game against Kansas is going to be extremely important for Brackins, if he can just get his usual 20 & 9 his stock likely rises a little but if he can amaze and nearly repeat his last performance against KU his stock raises even higher. Brackins has a unique skillset, is only 21 and has a lot of potential. Guys like Jason Thompson- went 12th from Rider last year and Ryan Anderson- 21 from Berkley are similiar players to him. Look at where they went in a draft that was much deeper than this one. If Brackins were playing somewhere else in the Big 12 like Texas then he would be touted as a lotto pick by now.
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