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ScottyP

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Exactly this, Ben Sheppard as an example is a decent player who has 100% bought in to his role which makes him more valuable to the Pacers than he might be on paper in a trade.

It helps having a uniquely unselfish star player like Tyrese who doesn't get upset when Carlisle subs him out on key defensive playoff possessions for a role player like Sheppard. Tyrese knows Carlisle will do the same on offense to make sure he closes every quarter final shot in a key game.

Brunson sucks on D and doesn't even have Tyrese length to disrupt plays, a lot of those players on the bench would have been way better in key defensive situations. Carlisle/Tyrese/role players all believe in that without egos, Thibs/Brunson/cast just don't do that or have that trust.
Indiana's offense focused on specifically attacking Brunson. Just a complete liability on defense.
 

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Indiana's offense focused on specifically attacking Brunson. Just a complete liability on defense.
Their double teams on him up high and how they got after him physically, during the series really slowed the Knick’s offense down and created a lot of rumors for them too. Towards the end of the last game it seemed as though he didn’t even want to bring the ball up.
 

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I thought the Knicks had a good postseason, what with taking out the Celtics and making the finals. Pacers were just at another level as we also saw against Bucks and Cavs.
 
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I thought the Knicks had a good postseason, what with taking out the Celtics and making the finals. Pacers were just at another level as we also saw against Bucks and Cavs.

If they were any other team it would’ve been viewed as success. It’s an annual thing setting expectations too high for them.
 

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Magic did a complete rebrand.



I like the logo a lot. It's a simplified callback to the original logo. I also like all the variations of it.

The wordmarks and fonts, however... not great. Someone online called it "a generic Cincinnati Bearcats font", and I can't unsee it - because it's 100% truth.

The uniforms are also a callback to the original uniforms, and are fine - except they're ruined by the godawful font. The black uniforms are a callback to their warmups from the same era, and while I understand what they were doing, I kind of wish they didn't.

All in all - eh. This is probably going to be a hot take, but I still think their "city" identity and uniforms are their best looks since they rebranded away from their original look back in 2000.
 

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What are everyone's thoughts on the Finals matchup? I think your comment on shooting is the part that matters. Seems like the Pacers are going to need their rotational guys to shoot above average to have a chance. Feels like its a pretty slim chance for Indiana without some major outlier shooting nights or injuries.
Seems like the "experts" are all thinking OKC in a cake walk but I think some of that is due to how easily they handled Minnesota. The thing is, the Twolve's are a really one dimensional on offense and they don't really play through a PG. Edwards is great but he's a wing, doesn't really create for others, if he does, its a kickout 3. They were easy for OKC to stop. Indy plays more like Denver, the only team to give OKC any challenge, in that series, the Nuggs bench just wasn't enough, Indy has a much better bench. If the Pacers bench can hang with OKC's bench and Siakam/Turner hold up against OKC's twin bigs, they have a shot. Their offense gives them a punchers chance.
 
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Another cool compilation of Tyrese, this one just of this playoffs.

At the 1:56 mark he gets about $115 million of annual salary in three Knicks players all moving the wrong way until he makes the no look pass for easy score.

 
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I know Thibs wouldn't do it but he would be an amazing college coach. Suites his style much better than the NBA IMO.

He’d still need to figure out how to setup a rotation. The conference season can wear down a team no different than the NBA if you’re trying to do it with 6-7 guys. But if he can figure out how to start with a 8-10 man rotation and whittle that down to his normal in March, I could see it.

But then there’s also the recruiting side. Might not matter as much these days with NIL buying teams, but his personality doesn’t scream amazing recruiter. Gotta have some charisma to be able to walk into a living room and convince a kid to come to a school.
 

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Pretty high praise from LeBron:

"You look at what's going on with the Pacers throughout the regular season and now throughout the postseason, you get it. You get why they are the team they are, and it starts with the head of the snake, and that's with Hali. You can gravitate and bring energy and love and run through a wall for certain guys, and he's a guy that you would do that for just because of how he plays the game."

 

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Pretty high praise from LeBron:

"You look at what's going on with the Pacers throughout the regular season and now throughout the postseason, you get it. You get why they are the team they are, and it starts with the head of the snake, and that's with Hali. You can gravitate and bring energy and love and run through a wall for certain guys, and he's a guy that you would do that for just because of how he plays the game."


I think as a player who has always been a willing passer he is seeing the game transition back at least on offense to favor the teams that share and move the ball the best. Jordan followed by Kobe kind of gave a false sense that a single dominant scorer is the most likely way to bring in titles. When you remove those two it's more often it's built around defense (pistons, celtics, rockets, spurs, raptors titles) or players who are amazing passers (Bird, Magic, Jokic, LBJ).

SGA may be one of those high volume scorers (not pass first) you can build a title around but if I were a GM I wouldn't pin my championship quest on finding that. I'd go the defense route or the floor general passer surrounded by shooters route.
 
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