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I was going to post this video if someone hadn't already. It's really great.

I like how the video goes in depth on how they play fast--but not necessarily fast in the sense that they always run the court and take a really quick shot (though they sometimes do that as well and did it a ton in the Knicks series)--but fast in the sense that every decision is made quickly and there are always players working to get a better shot. Sometimes that means sprinting down the court and getting a basket just seconds after the rebound or inbounds pass. Sometimes that means running a ton of actions before scoring with just a couple of seconds left on the shot clock.


I want to be confident and hopeful in the Pacers against the Thunder, but I'm having a tough time doing so. It just seems to me that the matchup advantages the Pacers typically have are lost against the Thunder. Tyrese is going to need to play very well and be assertive. The Thunder are too deep for Tyrese to step back and let the Pacers play 4 on 4.
OKC looks to be in a really good position for a title. And it seems like that's what fans should be celebrating, a team drafting well and developing players in lieu of just buying it. Presti has done a great job running them. But they are playing against Hali, so obviously they deserve to and will be hated.
 

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Michael Cole wearing a Pacers jersey (why it's not Haliburton I don't know) for losing his bet with Pat. Interesting note that raw tonight is in Tulsa, Ok.
 

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NY Indiana series got me to thinking about that rivalry in 90's. Just watched the 30 for 30 doc Winning Time.

I know I watched it when it first came out but watching it this time I always thought the Reggie "choke" sign was in the 95 series after the the 6 points in 8 seconds, but it was in 94 the series they lost.
 

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My rabbit hole of going back to 90's I found the rule of getting 3 free throws on a fouled 3 point attempt only goes back to 95. I know that's 30 years but how was that not a given once the 3 pointer was a thing.
 

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I missed this during the series as it happened but...wow, next level ref manipulation.

brunson was a next level flopper the entire series. he couldn't beat nesmith legitimately so he decided to be a cheater instead. the league really needs to fine and suspend instances like this that show up in the game film after the game concludes.
 

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Imo you generally need to actually win something in order to augment someone in 'making' them.

Jordan credited the late 80s Pistons to being a big help in getting his game to another level because he needed to get physically and mentally stronger, but Detroit was winning titles.
 

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Just imagine how many teams were “ made” by beating the Cubs for 108 years. I think Knicks futility is going to go that long.
the league will rig the lottery for them eventually. but it takes a special kind of lottery star to survive in that media market.

as a bulls fan from the 90s i hate the knicks, but also think basketball is better when they are relevant.
 

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Watching Nesmith and Nembhard lay it all out to defend the opponents top scorers has been incredible. Anyone who says there’s no defense in the NBA clearly isn’t paying any attention.
I think people who say this don't realize how good the offensive talent in the NBA is. The level of shooting, particularly from bigs / 4s and 5s, is on a crazy level right now.
 
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I think people who say this don't realize how good the offensive talent in the NBA is. The level of shooting, particularly from bigs / 4s and 5s, is on a crazy level right now.
It's crazy to see how important all the little things are, and how well they do them. In the last series every rebound was a battle. Certain guys all you can do is play good defense and hope they miss. Pick and roll coverages and rotations are so sharp and communicated well. SVG pointed out several times how poor KAT was in pick and roll defense and stuff like that can end up costing you the series at this level.
 
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I think people who say this don't realize how good the offensive talent in the NBA is. The level of shooting, particularly from bigs / 4s and 5s, is on a crazy level right now.

Free throw shooting has always been radically better, the game has always been 8 minutes longer than college, the shot clock has at times been MUCH shorter and still is.

So you always had those things making it look like defense is bad vs college (that stuff alone is like 20-35 points a game for both teams), but now in past 20ish years you've got 4/5 players who are some of the greatest of all time shooting 3s. Even guards in the 80s/90s weren't shooting the 3 as well as Joker and KAT do now. Joker can shoot 3s into the atmospheric weather system and swish them while closely defended without even moving his arms, just flicking his wrist.

The only player on the entire Indiana team who's not a deadly 3 point shooter is the short backup point guard and even he would be a great 3 point shooter by college standards over course of his career. Every single center and power forward on the team would be among the best 3 point shooters in college hoops.
 

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Free throw shooting has always been radically better, the game has always been 8 minutes longer than college, the shot clock has at times been MUCH shorter and still is.

So you always had those things making it look like defense is bad vs college (that stuff alone is like 20-35 points a game for both teams), but now in past 20ish years you've got 4/5 players who are some of the greatest of all time shooting 3s. Even guards in the 80s/90s weren't shooting the 3 as well as Joker and KAT do now. Joker can shoot 3s into the atmospheric weather system and swish them while closely defended without even moving his arms, just flicking his wrist.

The only player on the entire Indiana team who's not a deadly 3 point shooter is the short backup point guard and even he would be a great 3 point shooter by college standards over course of his career. Every single center and power forward on the team would be among the best 3 point shooters in college hoops.
What are everyone's thoughts on the Finals matchup? I think your comment on shooting is the part that matters. Seems like the Pacers are going to need their rotational guys to shoot above average to have a chance. Feels like its a pretty slim chance for Indiana without some major outlier shooting nights or injuries.
 

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What are everyone's thoughts on the Finals matchup? I think your comment on shooting is the part that matters. Seems like the Pacers are going to need their rotational guys to shoot above average to have a chance. Feels like its a pretty slim chance for Indiana without some major outlier shooting nights or injuries.
I think that they have a chance. Denver pushed the Thunder. Just gotta keep the tempo up and not get dragged down into a defensive slugfest. Indiana is a deep team, but OKC is pretty good at drawing fouls. Especially SGA with his flops. Indiana absolutely needs to win one of these first two in OKC or it's over.
 

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