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bosco said:
Scenario A: The team somehow finds a way to 6 wins but loses the bowl game. The offense grinds out enough points to win but it's not good and still leaves a lot of questions for next year. So pretty much the same offense as last year. The Defense plays well enough to win, not the iron wall but solid. (like last year's D).

Scenario B: The team does not make a bowl and wins 4 or 5 games. The offense and defense make steady improvement each game to where they are able to upset a few teams down the road.

I contend that scenario B is the best case of the two for the long term success of the program. I realize that for scenario A to happen there will have to be upsets as well and more than what would occur in scenario B. However, it is how the team wins. They had chances to win against UNI and Iowa but they performed and executed poorly. In Scenario B win's happen because the players developed and results in executed game plans not due to dumb luck or sloppy opponent play.

Scenario B gives the team momentum into next year which will have the bulk of the players returning. A good platform for the team to make the elusive next step. Scenario A gives us a bowl but like last year it seems the program is mired.
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Not sure A is realistic. If this team gets to six wins, it means we go 5-4 or 6-3 in the conference. That kind of improvement would point to a good chance to win a lower tier bowl (kind of like how Baylor finished strong last year). Frankly, I am pinning my hopes on seeing something like this. As I've said in other posts, it just won't be good if this Coach puts up a three win season in year five of his tenure. It will stop whatever momentum this program has dead in its tracks. CPR needs to figure some things out quickly. I think he has a chance to do it. He just needs to make some tough managment decisions.
 
I think that the most likely scenerios are:

A: 1 win, Mess is back
B: 2 wins, Mess is back
C: 3 wins, Mess is back

None of them are good.
 
If we're doing extremely loaded scenarios, I'll try one:

Option A: We lose out for the season. CPR is forced to retire after a fluke lightning strike during a motorcycle ride renders him incapable of continuing. Wally and the defensive coaches all retire or move on. All recruits decommitt amidst the uncertainty. For the sake of stability, Mess is promoted to Head Coach. Tickets are burned, cancelled, and seat backs hurled onto the field in disgust. We never win again.

Option B: We win some and lose some, but CPR sees little enough from the offense to make the longed-for OC change. Fans buy up tickets as though there is no tomorrow. Lazard becomes our lowest-rated recruit after a dramatic offseason surge. The offense goes on to average 85 points per game, and we never lose again.

I know which one I'm picking......
 
FanatiClone said:
Perhaps Klenakis. Look deeper into his bio than the little info you get from cyclones.com. Apparently he had a hand in helping Ault develop the pistol. If we are gonna continue using this formation, who better to let run the O than one of its creators? Klenakis really does have quite the resume.
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Such a good one that no one was hiring him as an OC.
 
Seriously, I'll take a bowl game over a 1-11 season just so we can fire an OC.

Any fan base that would prefer a winless season just to fire a coach is nuts. I'd hope that if Messingham still blows as the season progresses, yet we somehow manage to get 6 wins Rhoads would still fire him. However, we wont get to 6 wins averaging 20 points in the big 12.

Baylor may give us the worst loss in school history this year, I'm calling it. Not because our defense sucks but because our offense wont be able to give them a break and Baylor will run us down 63-3
 
GoSTATE71 said:
Seriously, I'll take a bowl game over a 1-11 season just so we can fire an OC.

Any fan base that would prefer a winless season just to fire a coach is nuts. I'd hope that if Messingham still blows as the season progresses, yet we somehow manage to get 6 wins Rhoads would still fire him. However, we wont get to 6 wins averaging 20 points in the big 12.

Baylor may give us the worst loss in school history this year, I'm calling it. Not because our defense sucks but because our offense wont be able to give them a break and Baylor will run us down 63-3
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I will take your 60 points and bet you a hundred dollar bill. No way they win by 60
 
Doc said:
ISU hired Herman when they had less money and he was a legit FBS coordinator. They could definitely go outside the program. It might really shake up the offensive staff though.
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The offensive staff needs to be shook up, they have been terrible under CPR.
 
FanatiClone said:
Perhaps Klenakis. Look deeper into his bio than the little info you get from cyclones.com. Apparently he had a hand in helping Ault develop the pistol. If we are gonna continue using this formation, who better to let run the O than one of its creators? Klenakis really does have quite the resume.
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Exactly. Klenakis is Messingham's replacement if Mess is fired.
 
Option E.

Step1: Mess gets his cataracts removed and ear infections clear up. He can finally see and hear what's going on. We start PASSING the ball downfield which opens up the running game a little. The offensive rhythm allows us to have a time of possession somewhere near 50%.

Step 2: ?????
Step 3: We win out :yes:
 
Option J: Bobby Boucher returns at halftime and the Cyclones go on to win the Bourbon Bowl.
 
Doc said:
It's a stupid scenario, and I knew somebody was going to post it. You can make any scenario suit your opinion if you do what clonedude did by assuming a new OC miraculously surpasses all of the other OCs ISU has had in the last 10 years, and makes this a great offense.

A: 6-6. Mess back next year.
B. 2-10. New OC next year.

This would be much more fair.
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I'll take option B. With Mess it is obvious that the ceiling for the offense is limited. They are currently 97th in the nation in scoring and 99th in rushing offense. Excessive amounts of bubble screens and zone read plays isn't going to help this offense improve.

Mess has said that Sam needs to develop but how does a qb develop when he isn't allowed to throw the ball more then 3 yards beyond the line of scrimmage?
 
CyBobby said:
I agree thee MESS will be back regardless............their friendship runs deep.....
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If that happens we can welcome back Chizik era results and I'll be the first in line to call for CPR's head on a platter when his fishing buddy runs the offense into the ground. We can already see it happening. Successful coaches don't hire their fishing buddies as coordinators... they hire qualified candidates and then they actually review their performance and fire them when necessary. If this isn't what is happening within the ISU staff then there are much bigger problems ahead.
 
FanatiClone said:
Seriously? Can you accurately gauge the success of the OL with all the injuries and instability that they've experienced up to this point? Are you jumping the gun a bit, perhaps?
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You're right let's go ahead and promote the OL coach with 2 games under his belt to OC. Because that wouldn't be jumping the gun.
 
bosco said:
You're right let's go ahead and promote the OL coach with 2 games under his belt to OC. Because that wouldn't be jumping the gun.
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So I'm dealing with all or nothing kind of guy I see. Let's just rehash real quick. No where did I say we gotta make coach Klenakis our OC. I mentioned the possibility of coach K running the offense. "Why?", you ask. Because if we are going to run the pistol, which is what word on the street has been for some time now (though I have yet to see real evidence of it yet), why in your right mind would you not turn it loose to the guy who co-created it? To tell you the truth, I look to coach K's past success much more than to the two games he's had with a very depleted ISU O Line. If we're just toying around with the pistol, then get whoever else fits whatever system is going to be used. Makes perfect rational sense to me.

I'm still curious, though, as to how you can gauge the success, or lack thereof, of an injury riddled o line that has yet to play as a cohesive and healthy unit. That does not make perfect rational sense to me. Feel free to enlighten me, tho.
 
demoncore1031 said:
Just think about that. 3 possible big time playmakers at WR. It COULD end up being the best group of WRs in school history.
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And how does it play out any differently than this year has with RBs? Man, the cupboard is really full of solid running backs, this is gonna be great!

Gotta have someone who knows how to utilize them and not worry about bruising egos.
 
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