Demarion Watson

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Physically speaking, Watson should be the superior defender (both on ball and off), rebounder, and finisher. Particularly if had gotten as many minutes as Milan to get comfortable

It’s easy to forget that Watson got 14 minutes in our biggest game last season (loss to Illinois), and played better than Milan in that time imo

The point being, this shouldn’t be an either/or imo. This staff is elite, but a wasted opportunity to not play guys like Watson when games aren’t competitive.

Making deep runs in March requires being able to win many ways and matching up with many types of opponents. It often requires guys being ready when injuries or foul trouble arise.

Today was the perfect example that these players, if locked in, don’t need those tune up games. Especially if your game is all based hustle and your athleticism. Playing in more games wouldn’t have changed his effort today and that’s what he brings to the table.
 

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Great game from Watson. No one would normally get excited about 5 boards and a block but he gave us really good minutes tonight and some of those rebounds were at critical moments in the second half.

That block into the glass was Watson wasn't it? That was a hell of a block. It got the crowd going.
 
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Having Milan out there in the middle part of the 2nd half would have helped get us out of the slug our offense became for a bit. KU’s defense was sagging off everybody (off the ball), minus CuJo, and clogged everything up in the paint.

Having a second knockdown shooter really spaces out defenses.
But without giving up more points on the other end? Gilbert, Lipsey, CuJo, and Jefferson are musts. So can Milan defend the 4 and Jefferson the 5?

KU is a top defense. We’re likely struggling in the half court at times regardless. Our defense and rebounding really helped our offense
 

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Today was the perfect example that these players, if locked in, don’t need those tune up games. Especially if your game is all based hustle and your athleticism. Playing in more games wouldn’t have changed his effort today and that’s what he brings to the table.
No it doesn’t.

There’s a very good correlation between players getting more PT and looking less “lost”.

Guys generally improve the more they play, particularly young or inexperienced players
 
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How about this,.....DW loves being on the TJ Fight Club in Ames. School is cool and why leave someplace that is now Natty level.

How much NIL $$$ is worth a Natty?

Well said, these teams that TJ keeps putting together have a love of BB and team that I think is bigger than NIL, If you don't want to buy in I don't think you are going stay around very long.
 

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No it doesn’t.

There’s a very good correlation between players getting more PT and looking less “lost”.

Guys generally improve the more they play, particularly young or inexperienced players

How does it translate for someone who can’t really shoot and has never shown the ability to do so?
 
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Physically speaking, Watson should be the superior defender (both on ball and off), rebounder, and finisher. Particularly if had gotten as many minutes as Milan to get comfortable

It’s easy to forget that Watson got 14 minutes in our biggest game last season (loss to Illinois), and played better than Milan in that time imo

The point being, this shouldn’t be an either/or imo. This staff is elite, but a wasted opportunity to not play guys like Watson when games aren’t competitive.

Making deep runs in March requires being able to win many ways and matching up with many types of opponents. It often requires guys being ready when injuries or foul trouble arise.
And he was ready.
 

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Today was the perfect example that these players, if locked in, don’t need those tune up games. Especially if your game is all based hustle and your athleticism. Playing in more games wouldn’t have changed his effort today and that’s what he brings to the table.
I haven't watched the game yet, but other posters have commented he looked lost on offense. So you don't think mixing him in 20-25 minutes a game in November or Decemeber would have helped his offense in any way?

I'm sorry, I still don't agree with you guys. How is him playing and running sets to get more comfortable on offense from the 3 guards a bad thing?
 

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On defense yes but even when Milan is not scoring 20 he spreads the floor and allows a more clear lane for Keshon to score. Milan makes the offense way better by just having that ability. Watson is one heck of a defender though

You could see that last night they were packing in when Keshon was looking to drive
 
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Yeah I'm not understanding the 'he would have been ready to go last night if he had just played 10 minutes in November' takes when he clearly was ready last night.

Even the players that average 30 minutes make all sorts of mistakes in a game.
You guys want it both ways, you say he was fine last night on D, rebounding and effort. Well, we've known that for 3 years now. Then you guys turn right back around and say he's lost on offense?

Hmm, so if you're fine on D and lost on O, wouldn't it make more sense more reps with the first team would have improved his offense? Or at least improved enough to where he actually knows how to run the sets?
 

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I haven't watched the game yet, but other posters have commented he looked lost on offense. So you don't think mixing him in 20-25 minutes a game in November or Decemeber would have helped his offense in any way?

I'm sorry, I still don't agree with you guys. How is him playing and running sets to get more comfortable on offense from the 3 guards a bad thing?

It was way more important to get the new guys up to speed. Demarion knows what’s up. Those guys didn’t.
 

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Yeah I'm not understanding the 'he would have been ready to go last night if he had just played 10 minutes in November' takes when he clearly was ready last night.

Even the players that average 30 minutes make all sorts of mistakes in a game.
The whole TJ philosopy is that what you do when nobody is watching matters, what you do in the offseason matters, what you do in practice everyday matters. So it also includes what you do when you aren't getting playing time right now matters.

The CEO is a fun little diversion for the fans, but he sets an example of, "I'm not EVER going to play meaningful minutes for this team but I am damned well going to do every god damned thing I can do to get this team ready every single practice and I'm going to support them every single second of every single game." That attitude is infectious and a kid who might have a chance to contribute on a possible Final Four team sees that example. It is telling that when TJ talked to DWat 24 hours before the game DWat said he had not just been putting in the work, he had been putting in extra work so he would be ready. And it showed on the court. This doesn't happen if the coaching staff and teammates don't show every single day that they value the contributions of every other teammate from the starting six to the end of the bench.

I'll wager DWat isn't the only player who has been putting in extra work while not getting playing time. I have a feeling, for example, that Nojus will show a huge jump by the time we see him next year - if he doesn't get tabbed at some point this year that is.
 

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It was way more important to get the new guys up to speed. Demarion knows what’s up. Those guys didn’t.
Ok, I completely agree, Jefferson and Jackson were new, Watson has been here 3 years.

The problem is some posters are saying practice reps against our giys are more beneficial than playing 20 minutes against Chicago St. But now you're saying it was crucial Jackson and Jefferson got up to speed by game reps.

Everyone is talking around in circles on this.
 

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Ok, I completely agree, Jefferson and Jackson were new, Watson has been here 3 years.

The problem is some posters are saying practice reps against our giys are more beneficial than playing 20 minutes against Chicago St. But now you're saying it was crucial Jackson and Jefferson got up to speed by game reps.

Everyone is talking around in circles on this.

The point is that J&J were going to see playing time. The extra floor time was needed. The plan wasn’t for Watson to see the floor this year, so getting him time wasn’t as important.

He’ll need to be a part of the lineup next year, so I hope these types of performances help his confidence and TJ’s that he can be a solid contributor.
 

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I could see Watson being a small ball 5 over the next few weeks. Is he really more limited offensively than Chat? Doesn't do some of the little things like the screens Chat can set but I could see him in that role. Also need someone to spell Jefferson at times though
 

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The plan wasn’t for Watson to see the floor this year, so getting him time wasn’t as important.
That's kind of my entire point. You have a roster of 12 guys for a reason. Things happen throughout a season, such as a broken hand. You can't count on anything so wouldn't it make sense to be as prepared and mitigate the most risk possible?

I guess I'll just die on this hill. I refuse to believe that meaningful game minutes doesn't help at all with development.

If a guy is showing out in practice what good does that do himself, the coaches, or us as fans if he's never in the box-score? You don't have to respond to this, that's my final thoughts about it.