Williams & Blum: The Florida State / Clemson conversation

[Nolaeer]

I don’t disagree with any of this but that doesn’t always translate to media ratings which is where a lot of these decisions happen. That game that you posted had 1.6mil viewers on espn. That’s why a lot of the attendance figures don’t get used, the people paying the media dollars don’t care at all about the game experience for fans they care about eyeballs on tv they can sell ads for.

100% agree die hard amazing fan base though that deserves a home if the ACC falls apart.

VT and WVU both sucked in 2022, and it was a weekday game. shrug. if vt and wvu are both in top 25, and it's a Saturday game on espn, different story.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

VT and WVU both sucked in 2022, and it was a weekday game. shrug. if vt and wvu are both in top 25, and it's a Saturday game on espn, different story.

Respectfully, any matchup of top 25 teams on ESPN on a Saturday will draw good ratings. The question is do you really think Va Tech will be able to turn things around enough to be regularly ranked and get that draw?

 

[ClubCy]

Respectfully, any matchup of top 25 teams on ESPN on a Saturday will draw good ratings. The question is do you really think Va Tech will be able to turn things around enough to be regularly ranked and get that draw?

They have an extremely favorable schedule this year so we will see. It wouldn’t be crazy for them to have 0-1 losses when Clemson comes to town in November. That future Big 12 matchup would draw

*I have no idea what their roster is like just that they have a decent schedule*

 

[exCYtable]

This guy is a tad off his rocker so take it for what it's worth. He mentioned Nebraska and Penn State possibly joining SEC

 

[GoHawks]

They have an extremely favorable schedule this year so we will see. It wouldn’t be crazy for them to have 0-1 losses when Clemson comes to town in November. That future Big 12 matchup would draw

*I have no idea what their roster is like just that they have a decent schedule*

They had at one point the most returning starters in all of power 4 football. I think 21. There's a lot of optimism in Blacksburg and ive seen them ranked in some college football previews. They played well down stretch last year

 

[GoHawks]

This guy is a tad off his rocker so take it for what it's worth. He mentioned Nebraska and Penn State possibly joining SEC

That's crazy. They're both were in top 8 in total revenue last year.

 

[cykadelic2]

This guy is a tad off his rocker so take it for what it's worth. He mentioned Nebraska and Penn State possibly joining SEC

I doubt the SEC had membership talks with those B10 schools. But it's no secret that a PE firm or two are talking to top SEC and B10 schools about a SuperLeague that would essentially get rid of both conferences as currently constituted.

 

[Kinch]

I doubt the SEC had membership talks with those B10 schools. But it's no secret that a PE firm or two are talking to top SEC and B10 schools about a SuperLeague that would essentially get rid of both conferences as currently constituted.

Not SEC directly, but maybe third party. Nebby and Penn State don’t have deep roots with Big 10. And maybe Michigan and Ohio state use this to get unequal revenue sharing. I can see the SEC wanting to BE the super league.

 

[ForeverIowan]

No college has everything they could ever want.

Yep this right here. What happens when Ohio State, Michigan, USC and Texas get sick and tired of leaving MAJOR money on the table? Get ready for a 24 team super conference of the biggest brands in the sport. You think the Big Ten and SEC make major money now? Small potatoes compared to what 12 matchups every Saturday consisting of these teams could rake in. Can you imagine the bidding wars for the rights to that?

Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Tennessee, North Carolina, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin

 

[CloniesForLife]

Yep this right here. What happens when Ohio State, Michigan, USC and Texas get sick and tired of leaving MAJOR money on the table? Get ready for a 24 team super conference of the biggest brands in the sport. You think the Big Ten and SEC make major money now? Small potatoes compared to what 12 matchups every Saturday consisting of these teams could rake in. Can you imagine the bidding wars for the rights to that?

Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Tennessee, North Carolina, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin

I doubt it. Those teams don't want to rack up a bunch of Ls

 

[ForeverIowan]

Yep this right here. What happens when Ohio State, Michigan, USC and Texas get sick and tired of leaving MAJOR money on the table? Get ready for a 24 team super conference of the biggest brands in the sport. You think the Big Ten and SEC make major money now? Small potatoes compared to what 12 matchups every Saturday consisting of these teams could rake in. Can you imagine the bidding wars for the rights to that?

Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Tennessee, North Carolina, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Mini NFL.

Two conferences (North & South)

3 divisions per conference.

North:

USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington

Nebraska
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Michigan

Notre Dame
Penn State
North Carolina
Tennessee

South:

Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Ole Miss

LSU
Bama
Georgia
Auburn

Florida
Florida State
Miami
Clemson

Winner of each division makes the playoffs. 1 wildcard in each conference.

 

[GoHawks]

Mini NFL.

Two conferences (North & South)

3 divisions per conference.

North:

USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington

Nebraska
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Michigan

Notre Dame
Penn State
North Carolina
Tennessee

South:

Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Ole Miss

LSU
Bama
Georgia
Auburn

Florida
Florida State
Miami
Clemson

Winner of each division makes the playoffs. 1 wildcard in each conference.

Can't see it. I think 24 teams would be way too secluded and actually hurt ratings/profits. A lot of fans including Iowans would begin to turn away from this. This is obviously some of the biggest fan bases but all the others matter too. Those add up. If they ever go to a super league it's much more likely to be 40-64 teams imo and would be something like the old p5's maybe a few left out and g5 would be left out.

 

[ForeverIowan]

Can't see it. I think 24 teams would be way too secluded and actually hurt ratings/profits. A lot of fans including Iowans would begin to turn away from this. This is obviously some of the biggest fan bases but all the others matter too. Those add up. If they ever go to a super league it's much more likely to be 40-64 teams imo and would be something like the old p5's maybe a few left out and g5 would be left out.

Who knows honestly...at first, it may isolate certain fanbases (like Iowans) but it also may excite millions of casual fans. People also like to watch premier matchups....obviously. Texas vs. Alabama has a lot more appeal than Texas vs. Arizona State. I remember last year in the NFL when they flexed Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs OFF Sunday Night Football because they were playing a horrible team. A super league offers premier matchups across the board every single weekend.

I dont want it to happen whatsoever. I just personally don't think the rest of the teams arent going to continue to support the likes of Rutgers and Vanderbilt for decades to come with a smile on their face. The elite programs may hold a proposed super conference like this above the heads of the rest down the road.

 

[cykadelic2]

Can't see it. I think 24 teams would be way too secluded and actually hurt ratings/profits. A lot of fans including Iowans would begin to turn away from this. This is obviously some of the biggest fan bases but all the others matter too. Those add up. If they ever go to a super league it's much more likely to be 40-64 teams imo and would be something like the old p5's maybe a few left out and g5 would be left out.

For political and sensible reasons, the number should be 70 as proposed by CST with 7 10-team conferences. With aggregated TV rights for all 70 bid out NFL style and 25%-40% of the TV revenue pie allocated based on TV ratings, the likes of Ohio St will make more money than what they do now and no school will receive a relegation death sentence (including Oregon St and Wazzu).

 

[isucy86]

This guy is a tad off his rocker so take it for what it's worth. He mentioned Nebraska and Penn State possibly joining SEC

I don't see Penn State making that jump, especially if Big10 has potential to add schools in VA & UNC.

However, Nebraska considering the SEC is logical. Realignment is about adding brands, media markets and rivalry games. The Huskers check 2 boxes for the SEC and ESPN. From a Husker perspective they might feel playing historical Big 8 rivals like OU & Mizzou as a step back to their future.

At some point the SEC will add schools from the mid-atlantic, midwest and/or southwest. Adding a school in NC and VA would fill their east coast needs. Then adding teams to expand on their presence in TX, OK, AR & MO.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Who knows honestly...at first, it may isolate certain fanbases (like Iowans) but it also may excite millions of casual fans. People also like to watch premier matchups....obviously. Texas vs. Alabama has a lot more appeal than Texas vs. Arizona State. I remember last year in the NFL when they flexed Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs OFF Sunday Night Football because they were playing a horrible team. A super league offers premier matchups across the board every single weekend.

I dont want it to happen whatsoever. I just personally don't think the rest of the teams arent going to continue to support the likes of Rutgers and Vanderbilt for decades to come with a smile on their face. The elite programs may hold a proposed super conference like this above the heads of the rest down the road.

That’s the thing though, college doesn’t have that many casual fans the way the NFL does. That’s just why a super league wouldn’t work.

Big ten supports the Rutgers teams because for the big dogs that’s an auto win and a chance to rest and relax. In any super league you are automatically diminishing value by having many of those blue bloods be perennial losers.

Then you end up with the exact same scenario as before.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I don't see Penn State making that jump, especially if Big10 has potential to add schools in VA & UNC.

However, Nebraska considering the SEC is logical. Realignment is about adding brands, media markets and rivalry games. The Huskers check 2 boxes for the SEC and ESPN. From a Husker perspective they might feel playing historical Big 8 rivals like OU & Mizzou as a step back to their future.

At some point the SEC will add schools from the mid-atlantic, midwest and/or southwest. Adding a school in NC and VA would fill their east coast needs. Then adding teams to expand on their presence in TX, OK, AR & MO.

If Nebraska wanted to go to the SEC and win even fewer conference games the big ten wouldn’t even blink an eye. Most would be happy to see them go.

 

[CascadeClone]

I doubt it. Those teams don't want to rack up a bunch of Ls

Every one of those schools think they belong in that superleague. Theyre not gonna decline big money and accept being 2nd tier because theyre afraid of losing. They all think they will win and be competitive.

Theres reasons a superleague might not happen but this is not one of them.

 

[NorthCyd]

I don't see Penn State making that jump, especially if Big10 has potential to add schools in VA & UNC.

However, Nebraska considering the SEC is logical. Realignment is about adding brands, media markets and rivalry games. The Huskers check 2 boxes for the SEC and ESPN. From a Husker perspective they might feel playing historical Big 8 rivals like OU & Mizzou as a step back to their future.

At some point the SEC will add schools from the mid-atlantic, midwest and/or southwest. Adding a school in NC and VA would fill their east coast needs. Then adding teams to expand on their presence in TX, OK, AR & MO.

Yeah, and how did that work out for Mizzou. I could see where it makes some sense for the SEC to take Nebraska, but it would make zero sense for Nebraska to go to the SEC. They can't even hang in the B1G west.

 

[VeloClone]

The argument I've seen that seems to hold the most water revolves around providing equal opportunity. And the "opportunity" could be defined as just the scholarship. Anything earned beyond that is merit based and restricting the players from being paid what they've earned has already been a lightning rod for change.

Ultimately, none of us know. But I'd be SHOCKED if the heavy hitters don't figure out a way to directly turn their financial advantage into a talent advantage wherever possible.

"Athletics programs are considered educational programs and activities. There are three basic parts of Title IX as it applies to athletics:

1. Participation: Title IX requires that women and men be provided equitable opportunities to participate in sports. Title IX does not require institutions to offer identical sports but an equal opportunity to play;
2. Scholarships: Title IX requires that female and male student-athletes receive athletics scholarship dollars proportional to their participation; and
3. Other benefits: Title IX requires the equal treatment of female and male student-athletes in the provisions of: (a) equipment and supplies; (b) scheduling of games and practice times; (c) travel and daily allowance/per diem; (d) access to tutoring; (e) coaching, (f) locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities; (g) medical and training facilities and services; (h) housing and dining facilities and services; (i) publicity and promotions; (j) support services and (k) recruitment of student-athletes."

This interpretation would have to be totally turned on its head.