2023-2024 MBB computer projections thread

Cyclonepride

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TJ >>>>> Prohm.

At least TJ knows when to rotate 2 of his best players in instead of waiting until 6 minutes into the game no matter what was happening.
That was one thing that used to drive me nuts. We could count on that at the start of the game and start of the second half, regardless of the results, good, bad or indifferent. Made it really hard to get a nice rotation going. Seems like TJ has guys in and out every few minutes throughout the game.
 

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That was one thing that used to drive me nuts. We could count on that at the start of the game and start of the second half, regardless of the results, good, bad or indifferent. Made it really hard to get a nice rotation going. Seems like TJ has guys in and out every few minutes throughout the game.
Yeah, he usually wastes no time in getting Hasan and Curtis into the games. It's usually even before the under 16 media timeout.
 
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Yeah I remember that. That team was a collection of talented players that never seemed to gel. Too many guys looking out for themselves and not buying into the team concept. Prohm could get talent but he was terrible at establishing culture which TJ excels at.
Not just culture, but also in-game coaching. CSP was the tactical equivalent of a Muppet, no surprise the smart coaches in the Big12 ran circles around him.
 

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Not just culture, but also in-game coaching. CSP was the tactical equivalent of a Muppet, no surprise the smart coaches in the Big12 ran circles around him.
If the other coaches start talking about how great of a guy TJ is sorry TJ it was a good run but you gotta go.
 

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If Tamin develops his jump shot into a real weapon, I would think he would have a chance.
He's definitely improved from year 1 to year 2 on that substantially.

Trying to equate his stature and growth to Monte. From Freshman year on Monte got better and better and had a decent shot his first year, but progressively became dangerous and had to be respected from behind the arc by his final year. Tamin has a bigger body, is better defensively I think, just doesn't take care of the ball quite as well as Monte. He does see the court pretty well too. Monte just had to really deal with being undersized as his biggest Achilles heal.
 
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He's definitely improved from year 1 to year 2 on that substantially.

Trying to equate his stature and growth to Monte. From Freshman year on Monte got better and better and had a decent shot his first year, but progressively became dangerous and had to be respected from behind the arc by his final year. Tamin has a bigger body, is better defensively I think, just doesn't take care of the ball quite as well as Monte. He does see the court pretty well too. Monte just had to really deal with being undersized as his biggest Achilles heal.
And Tamin is at least 2" shorter than Monte - but 25lbs heavier. I'm not sure which matters more in the NBA, strength or height?

I know Jalen Brunson has turned into a unicorn, but he's only an inch taller than Tamin and weighs about the same. Looking at his college stats - Tamin is a MUCH better defender, has more assists and rebounds. Brunson however, in his junior year, shot 60% from 2, 40% from 3 and 80% from FT line. (oh, and won the national championship)

If Tamin can do that next year, while rebounding and playing defense at the level he does, I think he'd have a shot as a "poor mans Jalen Brunson"
 

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My impression from watching them is that he is a pretty key piece that kind of balances everything out for them. Like a bunch of guards and then a rim protector.
Washington missed their game at Baylor a couple weeks ago and they lost by 6. Baylor didn't shoot well from deep, but was able to take advantage at the rim, shooting 34 FTs and scoring a bunch of paint points. Jennings, the back up big, only played 16 minutes because of foul trouble. They played two other bench posts for the only time in BigXII play
 
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Washington missed their game at Baylor a couple weeks ago and they lost by 6. Baylor didn't shoot well from deep, but was able to take advantage at the rim, shooting 34 FTs and scoring a bunch of paint points. Jennings, the back up big, only played 16 minutes because of foul trouble. They played two other bench posts for the only time in BigXII play
I am sure I am in full blown irrational exuberance mode but let him play and then let our bigs pound the **** out of him.

I have a man crush on our trio of BRE/Ward/King.
 

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And Tamin is at least 2" shorter than Monte - but 25lbs heavier. I'm not sure which matters more in the NBA, strength or height?

I know Jalen Brunson has turned into a unicorn, but he's only an inch taller than Tamin and weighs about the same. Looking at his college stats - Tamin is a MUCH better defender, has more assists and rebounds. Brunson however, in his junior year, shot 60% from 2, 40% from 3 and 80% from FT line. (oh, and won the national championship)

If Tamin can do that next year, while rebounding and playing defense at the level he does, I think he'd have a shot as a "poor mans Jalen Brunson"
Guess I thought Tamin was taller than Monte, whoops.
 

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On a related note, I was looking the "Game Score" graphs of past ISU teams on Torvik and adjusting them to 24 games (since we've only played 24 games so far) and the trajectory of this year's team looks startlingly similar to the 2019 squad. Obviously the identity of TJ's teams are COMPLETELY different than Phrom's, but it just seemed interesting nonetheless.

It looks like the wheels started to come off that year after consecutive home losses to TCU and Baylor, but otherwise that team looked really solid up to a point until they lost 6 of their last 8 games and kinda limped their way to a 6-seed.

The Big 12 is a league where every game is "the most important" but the next two games will probably be the most critical games we've played all season in terms of determining the remaining trajectory of the season. Defend the home court and, if that's successful, Monday night between the league's top two teams that will likely determine who the regular season champ will be.

Is there an adjustment for coaching? Prohm was soft and out of his league and just believed the team was out there being guided by angel wings win or lose.
 
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On a related note, I was looking the "Game Score" graphs of past ISU teams on Torvik and adjusting them to 24 games (since we've only played 24 games so far) and the trajectory of this year's team looks startlingly similar to the 2019 squad. Obviously the identity of TJ's teams are COMPLETELY different than Phrom's, but it just seemed interesting nonetheless.

It looks like the wheels started to come off that year after consecutive home losses to TCU and Baylor, but otherwise that team looked really solid up to a point until they lost 6 of their last 8 games and kinda limped their way to a 6-seed.

The Big 12 is a league where every game is "the most important" but the next two games will probably be the most critical games we've played all season in terms of determining the remaining trajectory of the season. Defend the home court and, if that's successful, Monday night between the league's top two teams that will likely determine who the regular season champ will be.


What identity did Prohm's teams have?

Kinda feels like the word trajectory is getting thrown around pretty loosely here.

Who knows what happens with this team but from the armchair, this team looks absolutely nothing like that 18/19 team in how they function and play. And if they even drop the next two there's still plenty of things that could happen to make a very successful season.

TJ's players carry out the assignment and Prohm's players didn't seem to know what it was.