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OregonCyclone said:
Having lived in Oregon for 12 years, I have a soft spot in my heart for OSU. They are a perfect cultural fit for the Big 12. Football is trending up. Basketball is trending down but made the Elite 8 two years ago. They get terrible TV ratings though.

Washington State is also a great cultural fit for the conference and is a good TV draw.

Let's be honest. Whoopie Goldberg probably has a better shot at becoming the next Pope than OSU and WSU joining the Big 12, but it is a fun fantasy to think about OSU and WSU in the Big 12 while Oregon and Washington get stuck in a conference with SMU, Fresno State, and Boise State.
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As a fellow Oregon Cyclone, I couldn’t agree more about the Beavs. There’s a lot of parallels between ISU and OSU and I see a lot of Iowa/ISU in the OSU/Oregon rivalry. I have found myself casually rooting for the Beavs, and a lot of it has to do with the ignorance and pompousness of the Oregon fan base, combined with OSU’s status as an underdog.

Obviously I’m super biased because I’d love to be able to watch ISU here in Oregon, but I think OSU would be a great cultural fit and would love to see them in the conference, assuming we can also grab some of the other bigger names like Arizona and Colorado.
 
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If Colorado and Zona ditch the pac I don't see any reason to rush and pick up Utah or ASU. I'd sit back and see what happens after that shake up. Maybe Oregon, Washington, or an Acc implosion. Not shaking out too bad for the big12. Should get multiple teams into the playoffs each year when it expands to 12.
 
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singsing said:
If Colorado and Zona ditch the pac I don't see any reason to rush and pick up Utah or ASU. I'd sit back and see what happens after that shake up. Maybe Oregon, Washington, or an Acc implosion. Not shaking out too bad for the big12. Should get multiple teams into the playoffs each year when it expands to 12.
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If Colorado and Zona jump to the Big 12, the pressure on ASU and Utah will be immense. They risk ending up in a third tier conference if/when Wash and OU jump to the B10.
 
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mark82 said:
If Colorado and Zona jump to the Big 12, the pressure on ASU and Utah will be immense. They risk ending up in a third tier conference if/when Wash and OU jump to the B10.
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Pressure may be immense on them but it's not on the conference. Oregon and Washington aren't a sure thing for a big10 invite either. The ACC folds up and there's some better schools to choose from. Gut a couple teams from the remaing pac and I bet it folds. Pressures on Oregon and Washington is as much as Utah and ASU.
 
This just reeks of a Big10 and SEC dream scenario. The Big12 gets saddled with the anchors while they can pluck up the bigger market teams without getting any blame. Maybe that's why the TV partners are considering doing this?
 
AgronAlum said:
What about

State U

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And State University College

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BTW im all I’m on the SCLSU Muddogs. Probs better than KU.
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I find the mom character in these Dr. Pepper commercials to be rather fetching.
 
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Gunnerclone said:
He’s not even asking for faith. He’s a troll. He tells people he’s a troll.
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This. And always someone will be dumb enough to post it here. Same for the other online, blogging, podcasting talking heads with no sources other than their own imaginations and talks with their delusional friends.
 
singsing said:
If Colorado and Zona ditch the pac I don't see any reason to rush and pick up Utah or ASU. I'd sit back and see what happens after that shake up. Maybe Oregon, Washington, or an Acc implosion. Not shaking out too bad for the big12. Should get multiple teams into the playoffs each year when it expands to 12.
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I’m at a loss for why anyone wouldn’t want to pick up ASU. They might be a mess right now, but are a slumbering giant. In part a mess because of the PAC.

Plus…ASU coeds.
 
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Sorry, if Yormark would ever take OSU and WSU (he won't) he would've more than undone every accomplishment and would need to be fired on the spot. Any AD that signed off on that (they wouldn't) would need to be fired on the spot.

I like those schools too. I liked WSU's fanbase during the Alamo Bowl. But they are the lowest value brands in a league that can't get a media deal, and when they do it is going to be worth less than the Big 12s. The math doesn't work out there.

And I think people are confusing teams that want to be in the Big 12/no ego/cultural fit with teams that frankly don't have the luxury to raise their noses at the Big 12.

It's time for the Big 12 to stop acting like it isn't worth more than the PAC. It is. It's time for ISU fans to stop acting like ISU is WSU, OSU, Vandy, or BC. TV ratings say otherwise. Big 12 is a good conference for media, PAC is not. ISU is one of the better TV draws in the conference.

Time to put the "we are ISU" loser mentality to rest.
 
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AuH2O said:
Sorry, if Yormark would ever take OSU and WSU (he won't) he would've more than undone every accomplishment and would need to be fired on the spot. Any AD that signed off on that (they wouldn't) would need to be fired on the spot.

I like those schools too. I liked WSU's fanbase during the Alamo Bowl. But they are the lowest value brands in a league that can't get a media deal, and when they do it is going to be worth less than the Big 12s. The math doesn't work out there.

And I think people are confusing teams that want to be in the Big 12/no ego/cultural fit with teams that frankly don't have the luxury to raise their noses at the Big 12.

It's time for the Big 12 to stop acting like it isn't worth more than the PAC. It is. It's time for ISU fans to stop acting like ISU is WSU, OSU, Vandy, or BC. TV ratings say otherwise. Big 12 is a good conference for media, PAC is not. ISU is one of the better TV draws in the conference.

Time to put the "we are ISU" loser mentality to rest.
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Agreed, If we are going "shopping" within the Pac 12, Colorado and Utah are my top picks, as well as Arizona. Probably have to take ASU at that point too, but let the remaining schools not named Oregon or Washington fall into the MWC or the WAC
 
RagingCloner said:
Agreed, If we are going "shopping" within the Pac 12, Colorado and Utah are my top picks, as well as Arizona. Probably have to take ASU at that point too, but let the remaining schools not named Oregon or Washington fall into the MWC or the WAC
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Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado, Arizona State, and Utah are all takes if they want to come.
 
Aclone said:
I’m at a loss for why anyone wouldn’t want to pick up ASU. They might be a mess right now, but are a slumbering giant. In part a mess because of the PAC.

Plus…ASU coeds.
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I really want us to take 3. ASU, Zona, and Colorado. Then in 10 years see if we can get Virginia Tech, Pitt, and Louisville if/when the ACC crumbles.
 
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Aclone said:
I’m at a loss for why anyone wouldn’t want to pick up ASU. They might be a mess right now, but are a slumbering giant. In part a mess because of the PAC.

Plus…ASU coeds.
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I agree..Love ASU and Phoenix area, but I don't want a whole bunch of Western expansion with the possibility of the ACC imploding. Of the schools that'd be left Oregon and Washington are definite takes where ASU is borderline. Especially if Arizona is already in. To be honest trading ASU for Arizona in a first 2 to leave wouldn't bother me. Think the results will be the same. Pac's about done. Oregon or Washington ever leave for the big10 whatever's left out west will probably still be there.
 
KnappShack said:
A history of questionable quality....but it would be fun to have Washington St and Oregon St in the league

They seem to have the same chip on their shoulder
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Not going to happen. If it does we are really boosfooed.
 
If the PAC implodes it’s mostly due to geography. We can’t change geography.
 
awd4cy said:
I really want us to take 3. ASU, Zona, and Colorado. Then in 10 years see if we can get Virginia Tech, Pitt, and Louisville if/when the ACC crumbles.
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Makes no sense. SEC and B1G are at 16. We are at 12. If we can get four, take four. SEC and B1G are also going to poach the ACC, so again, we try to match number of teams.

Ten team league was great for the fans, but in the grand scheme it set the Big12 back miles while the B1G and SEC were at 14. They had more “good” teams, because some of those good teams didn’t have to play against other good teams. They just got free wins, which in the grand scheme wins matter most. Big12 just beat up on each other.

If you want to close the gap, have as many or more schools. And I’m not talking about Washington State, Oregon State, anymore G5’s, and so on.
 
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