Post game thoughts

[CycloneErik]

Haluska was much better defensively than Peterson but he ws overmatched like whoever was on Brackins who scored against double teams. the gameplan wasn't the issue, we had a ton of open shots. if we make a reasonable number of those, we win. I had to bring it up but we really could use another scorer like the kid who transferred who shall remain nameless.

He had to come up. I mentioned this to my wife. If that kid stays, we have two athletic players out there that can score from anywhere. He would have had to be good for 12-20, which makes this a whole different game.

Then people are mentioning that junior as a real NBA prospect, and he's months away from being a millionaire.

Oh, well. What's done is done. I think.

 

[Clone_12]

Haven't read through the thread...but my thoughts from the game...

Brackins was incredible...I drew about four or five looks from the guy in front of me, as I repeatedly said, "no, that's a horrible shot" as he put up fadeaways and 17 footers off the dribble in the first half....then the shots dropped...the guy was just white-hot today and played great. Unfortunately...only Haluska, Boozer, and Vanderbeeken (to an extent) decided to join him on the court today.

When you put such an emphasis on shooting the 3ball, the shooters need to make shots (Albert Einstein observation I know), and we were god-awful today from the perimeter (other than our posts).

Bottomline, we lost to a better basketball team today...Kansas played patient, disciplined basketball...the season isn't over, but we've got to be more consistant...and I'm as big of a McDermott fan as there is, but I'd like to see him hold players a little more accountable during games, even if it isn't by benching them...an earful after a bad shot or a careless turnover will do...

In closing, I think the biggest difference between the two teams was athleticism...we lose Haluska, Peterson, and Thompson-and bring in Colvin, Gilstrap, Pomlee, and Christopherson next year...I think that will make a big difference (and yes I know, other teams bring in players too-and other players improve).

Just my thoughts from today, sorry the the length.

 

[CycloneErik]

Haven't read through the thread...but my thoughts from the game...

Brackins was incredible...I drew about four or five looks from the guy in front of me, as I repeatedly said, "no, that's a horrible shot" as he put up fadeaways and 17 footers off the dribble in the first half....then the shots dropped...the guy was just white-hot today and played great. Unfortunately...only Haluska, Boozer, and Vanderbeeken (to an extent) decided to join him on the court today.

When you put such an emphasis on shooting the 3ball, the shooters need to make shots (Albert Einstein observation I know), and we were god-awful today from the perimeter (other than our posts).

Bottomline, we lost to a better basketball team today...Kansas played patient, disciplined basketball...the season isn't over, but we've got to be more consistant...and I'm as big of a McDermott fan as there is, but I'd like to see him hold players a little more accountable during games, even if it isn't by benching them...an earful after a bad shot or a careless turnover will do...

In closing, I think the biggest difference between the two teams was athleticism...we lose Haluska, Peterson, and Thompson-and bring in Colvin, Gilstrap, Pomlee, and Christopherson next year...I think that will make a big difference (and yes I know, other teams bring in players too-and other players improve).

Just my thoughts from today, sorry the the length.

3-21 from behind the arc will leave a lot of points out there. If guys that aren't named Brackins or Vanderbeken could shoot 30-40% today, this is a whole different ball game.

 

[bos]

That's great...and last year everyone was anxious and excited to see what Staiger, Eikmeier, and Buckley were going to do...they were all supposed to be making a difference.

I dont think you should say everyone. Alot were excited to see them play but realists probably felt that they would not be game makers. Staiger has helped quite a few games and has been playing some decent ball, just not a difference maker yet. The other two need some development time and I knew they would. Dont take peoples excitement about new recruits away from them. Their energy is what keeps me excited about ISU sports from year to year. Sometimes they go a little overboard.

 

[CycloneErik]

I dont think you should say everyone. Alot were excited to see them play but realists probably felt that they would not be game makers. Staiger has helped quite a few games and has been playing some decent ball, just not a difference maker yet. The other two need some development time and I knew they would. Dont take peoples excitement about new recruits away from them. Their energy is what keeps me excited about ISU sports from year to year. Sometimes they go a little overboard.

Good post. Would it be better for people to be excited and sometimes go a little overboard, or to be cynical at every opportunity? It seems like enthusiasm is going to be a much better, or at least more fun, way to go. And this really is a fun thing here, isn't it? We're just fans. We're disappointed, but we don't really have to deal with it the way the real players and coaches do.

 

[twistedredbird]

One thing I will say is KU was just having things fall today. How many shots did they bank in? 5?

Have to agree here, I couldn't believe all the bad/lucky shots KU was getting down, and how many rim outs we had.

 

[jbhtexas]

KU = mostly Big 12 talent
ISU = not so much Big 12 talent

KU = Big 12 style BB
ISU = not Big 12 style BB

Result = young KU team goes on the road and beats young ISU team...
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[Jonecy]

KU = mostly Big 12 talent
ISU = not so much Big 12 talent

KU = Big 12 style BB
ISU = not Big 12 style BB

Result = young KU team goes on the road and beats young ISU team...
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Wow, that's a convincing equation...

Here's mine:

We shot terrible as a "team."
Cyclones <> Good Team Shooting

They shot very well as a "team."
Jayhawks = Good Team Shooting.

Beyond that, the "Big XII" talent & styles of play were there on both sides in the game I watched. We just need a few guys besides CB to step up and make shots. They did not dominate us based on overbearing talent or style of play - we just didn't make our shots and they made theirs.

Kansas Shooting:
FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A
31 for 61 | 6 for 13 | 14 for 18
50.80% | 46.20% | 77.80%

ISU Shooting:
FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A
19 for 55 | 6 for 26 | 23 for 27
34.50% | 23.10% | 85.20%

 

[Wesley]

I dont think you should say everyone. Alot were excited to see them play but realists probably felt that they would not be game makers. Staiger has helped quite a few games and has been playing some decent ball, just not a difference maker yet. The other two need some development time and I knew they would. Dont take peoples excitement about new recruits away from them. Their energy is what keeps me excited about ISU sports from year to year. Sometimes they go a little overboard.

It looks like we have too many role players and not enough gamemakers. I think the starting lineup needs a shakeup. It is not working that well. Time to experiment some more. If the guards cannot shoot, sit them. When someone scores 42 and the rest of the crew snoozes, time for some experimentation. Start VB, SG, etc. I saw an awful lot of standing around when Kansas shot the ball.

 

[Iron24]

Have to agree here, I couldn't believe all the bad/lucky shots KU was getting down, and how many rim outs we had.

I would have to agree, BUT we had our chances in this one despite the poor shooting as a team. When we cut the lead to six with a few minutes to go (3 or 4), hilton was coming alive, that had to have been the loudest of the game. As all of u seen after that moment we just couldn't convert on the offensive end. Can't complain about Brackins though, awesome performance.

 

[nickwc]

we need a point guard and a good forward and this team will compete next year. weird thing is it actually looks like we did pull in these guys. lets give coach mac some more time on recruiting.

 

[ISUFan22]

Wow, that's a convincing equation...

Here's mine:

We shot terrible as a "team."
Cyclones <> Good Team Shooting

They shot very well as a "team."
Jayhawks = Good Team Shooting.

Beyond that, the "Big XII" talent & styles of play were there on both sides in the game I watched. We just need a few guys besides CB to step up and make shots. They did not dominate us based on overbearing talent or style of play - we just didn't make our shots and they made theirs.

Kansas Shooting:
FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A
31 for 61 | 6 for 13 | 14 for 18
50.80% | 46.20% | 77.80%

ISU Shooting:
FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A
19 for 55 | 6 for 26 | 23 for 27
34.50% | 23.10% | 85.20%

So the gap in Big 12 talent played no role in the shooting percentages today? Huh...that's odd...

 

[CTAClone]

So the gap in Big 12 talent played no role in the shooting percentages today? Huh...that's odd...

I actually agreed with him on the style portion but not the talent portion. What is this Miss America?

 

[Rick]

I thought we needed to crash the boards more on offense. Numerous times there wasnt a single white jersey under the boards and we just gave away any chance for put back points. As far as KU shooting, they run good offensive sets and our guys either lost focus or just cant keep it up to guard for 35 seconds. Toughness has a lot to do with it. The team should be encouraged by their play and resolve and not let this one get too out of hand. We have to learn to fight through screens and not let the other team get the looks they have gotten the last two games. Easier said than done but I took some positives out of this game.

 

[Clone_12]

I thought we needed to crash the boards more on offense. Numerous times there wasnt a single white jersey under the boards and we just gave away any chance for put back points. As far as KU shooting, they run good offensive sets and our guys either lost focus or just cant keep it up to guard for 35 seconds. Toughness has a lot to do with it. The team should be encouraged by their play and resolve and not let this one get too out of hand. We have to learn to fight through screens and not let the other team get the looks they have gotten the last two games. Easier said than done but I took some positives out of this game.

It was pick your poison...not saying you aren't right, but if we would've tried to crash the offensive boards-we probably would've given them more easy layups and dunks in transition...and we had a hard enough time stopping them from getting layups in the half court...one thing about Kansas that has remained the same in all of their teams from Roy to Self now, is watching them move the ball is truly a thing of beauty.

 

[Rick]

Much like Self did today. Brackins got his points but the rest of the guys who normally score we shut down. If Lucca or Petey get in the flow and get some shots or their few shots to fall its a different ball game. Woulda, shoulda, coulda I guess. I still think we could have at least kept one guy down on the blocks but our bigs are tall not exactly meaty. I though VB and Ham both gained some confidence today which can only help. Where we go from here I dont know. Lucca drove the ball for the first time that I have seen, didnt see the MU game, and while he didnt finish at least he is in motion. He looks pretty solid and obviously has the talent. Time should help. I am cautiously optimistic which for me is a pretty bold statement.

 

[peachy]

College BB is about talent and guard play. We really don't heave either yet. I love the hustle of BP and SH, but the bottom line is they would not start for most Valley teams, if any. Collins could have dropped 50 on Peterson if he needed to. At least Haluska can play some D.

It simply baffles me why Boozer and Buckley don't play more. Garrett gave KU at least 8 points with getting his pocket picked. Collins scored about 20 with Peterson guarding him. Why not play the scholarship players more? Give them time to learn? The season is a loss anyway, its not like we are playing for a tournament bid. Bring in the new guys, I have seen enough of the walk on seniors to last me a lifetime.

To be positive, CB played fantastic. Hamilton is a quick learner. JVB made some shots. The defense improved. Like many posters have said, its about going out and getting talent, guys who can create their own shot, or can get fouled. It sounds like we have some of those coming in next year. KU has McD All-Americans sitting on their bench, we have walkons. The outcome should not really shock anyone.

 

[cybsball20]

Alot to reply to here...

well brackins is the guy we all hoped he would develop into and looks like he is going in the right direction.

BUT come one can anyone else score......

Kansas shot lights out and we couldnt make anything

that is the story of the game

that and no one played defense that well

It's really about defense. We ALLOWED open looks and KU didn't. They were going to try and take away Brackins down low while still rotating on shooters and let him and all out other bigs shoot anything outside of 10 feet. We couldn't guard the perimeter. When we try and crowd them they blow by, when we sag, they shoot... It had nothing to do with the SHOOTING.

Our players were getting set up for open shots!!!!!
No one could drop them consistently except Brakins.
The coachs can't take the shots for the players.

Don't know what you saw, but I saw us force up alot of closely guarded threes, that doesn't scream open to me...

As was stated by the announcers, GM put them in position but cannot make the shots for them.

Position to me means movement to get open looks. Our only open looks were from big guys outside 10 feet. We have two guys that can hit that shot...

When we don't play tough defense it's easy to shoot 50.8%

Exactly!

I can easily identify things I think Mac can do better.

I don't think putting walk-ons in starting roles is anyone's ideal situation, and I would guess that Mac doesn't sit a McD All-American to play Brian Peterson.

No, but he has had three years to bring in guys that can play over him...and he hasn't...

KU = mostly Big 12 talent
ISU = not so much Big 12 talent

KU = Big 12 style BB
ISU = not Big 12 style BB

Result = young KU team goes on the road and beats young ISU team...
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Sums it up...

Wow, that's a convincing equation...

Here's mine:

We shot terrible as a "team."
Cyclones <> Good Team Shooting

They shot very well as a "team."
Jayhawks = Good Team Shooting.

Beyond that, the "Big XII" talent & styles of play were there on both sides in the game I watched. We just need a few guys besides CB to step up and make shots. They did not dominate us based on overbearing talent or style of play - we just didn't make our shots and they made theirs.

Kansas Shooting:
FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A
31 for 61 | 6 for 13 | 14 for 18
50.80% | 46.20% | 77.80%

ISU Shooting:
FGM-A | 3PM-A | FTM-A
19 for 55 | 6 for 26 | 23 for 27
34.50% | 23.10% | 85.20%

See my points earlier. It's a whole lot easier to shoot a better percentage when one team gets open looks and the other team is forcing guarded shots...

 

[BugDoc]

Living in Corvallis, I have adopted the Beavs as my second favorite team. After watching both the Clones and Beavs play today, what annoys me is the fact that Robinson has managed to win back-to-back road games in the Pac10 in his 1st year with basically the same team that went winless last year in the conference and Mac in his 3rd year still "needs more time"!!!!!!!!!! WTF! I am tired of waiting for ISU to improve. Patience is a virtue .... I know, but I am starting to tire of waiting around for next year.

 

[CyinCo]

Living in Corvallis, I have adopted the Beavs as my second favorite team. After watching both the Clones and Beavs play today, what annoys me is the fact that Robinson has managed to win back-to-back road games in the Pac10 in his 1st year with basically the same team that went winless last year in the conference and Mac in his 3rd year still "needs more time"!!!!!!!!!! WTF! I am tired of waiting for ISU to improve. Patience is a virtue .... I know, but I am starting to tire of waiting around for next year.

The difference is consistency. When you have the same players in a program, you can actually teach them things from year to year. In McDs case, he has had different starters year after year. Consistency is very important and I think we'll finally have that. McD needs more time because he is starting over every year. Is some of that his own fault? YES. But that doesn't diminish that he needs more time with the "good" players he has.