With an org that just got busted for cheating does anyone think it is really above them to cheat on concussion protocols?
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I don't have an issue with the hit. Tua was slung down but that was via momentum and how the defender was positioned. Not malicious IMO.
I did think though that when it was evident something was wrong, the defender was chest bumping, high fiving, and raising up his arms to the crowd to get them hyped was a little much.
That's why there is an independent doctor on the sidelines that does the evaluation for these things. The UNC is supposed to do these evaluations so that there isn't a "the team needs him to win" factor. If he passed the UNC's evaluation, then he is cleared to play from the league's perspective. If he was cleared to return during the game last week, there would have been no apparent reason to enter concussion protocol. Brain's a tricky thing though.
I don't know the exact rules of the protocols. I should look that up.
But, in my opinion, if you have your bell rung so hard you clearly can't maintain balance, you should be done for the day, regardless of evaluation after the fact.
If he "passed protocols", then either someone is lying or the protocols need to be changed.
why bother, you've already formed your opinion
Returning someone to the game still ultimately is left to the team physician, it's his/her decision only. The UNC can consult, but he doesn't get to overrule.
That makes this situation very difficult. Everyone is going to be affected a little differently. There is still a lot we don't know about the brain and concussions. How someone handles/recovers from a concussion is wildly inconsistent as well. One concussion may cause life-long issues for a person and another person could have multiple concussions with minimal long-term effects.
From an outside perspective, it sure looked like he had a concussion last week, but I am also not a doctor nor an expert on this subject matter.
Then they need to get all the booth guys to stop hyping up the UNC as the final arbiter if the team is ultimately making the final decision. They do it every week when someone goes to the blue tent.
I imagine the NFL has something to do with that, sounds better if you talk up that there is someone not team affiliated on the sideline.
Last time I tweaked my back instead of grabbing it I stumbled around off balance, fell down, and had to have someone help me stand. Then I started shaking my head like I was trying to get rid of blurry vision.
But you know it all right?
Actually, the last time I had back spasms, I ended up stumbling and almost falling. I ended up down on one knee unable to get up for a minute.
And your spasms probably came up right after you hit the back of your head on the ground right? After right after you shook off the cobwebs?
It was back misalignment, not back spasms.
I’ve had them, too, and sounds like our experiences are similar. So because you and I had similar experiences, everyone must be the same!
No, they did not occur after hitting the back of my head.
I just think those that are really attacking the organization are failing to comprehend concussion protocol limits organizational powers. If an independent organization, not Miami, says Tua had a concussion, Tua had a concussion and Tua would not have been allowed to play.
If an independent professional said Tua had a concussion and Miami ignored it, I would agree with most of you - Miami should get in huge trouble.
But Tua AND an independent medical professional determined, reportedly, Tua did not have a concussion. I do not get why some goofs think Miami should be penalized.
But Tua AND an independent medical professional determined, reportedly, Tua did not have a concussion. I do not get why some goofs think Miami should be penalized.
You sure?
"The UNC may present his/her own questions or conduct additional testing and shall assist in the diagnosis and treatment of concussions. Regardless, the responsibility for the diagnosis of concussion and the decision to return a player to a game remains exclusively within the professional judgment of the Head Team Physician or his/her physician designee responsible for the diagnosis and treatment of concussion."
Source:
NFL Concussion Diagnosis and Management Protocol (PDF)
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Section: "Game Day Concussion Diagnosis and Management"
I agree that we don't have all the 'facts'/ 'full context' (we aren't in the tent after all); I'm not sure I agree that the 3rd party could not have been overruled by team medics.
But the decision to return him to the game is the team doctor’s, they aren’t independent.
And the player shouldn’t be involved in determining if they have a concussion.
