I think if a new coach comes in and starts showing signs of improvement and winning games, they’ll be happy. People are going to miss successful coaches, that’s unavoidable. If Campbell left tomorrow of course we’d all miss him. But the easiest way for a coach to get the fanbase to move past that is to win games. Prohm obviously is not doing that now.
Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?
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What are you basing this on? This seems like projection.
It’s pretty simple. A coach as good or better than Hoiberg will be loved as much or more than Hoiberg. A coach like Prohm that isn’t as good as Hoiberg will not be liked as much as Hoiberg. You could replace Hoiberg and Prohm’s names with any.
To think that comparison is not standard everywhere is being really weird about Hoiberg.
There's a difference between missing a successful coach and having 100+ page threads most of which are about how said coach is gonna return to save the program again. I would love that to be the case and will be very excited if Fred returns because it will breathe life into the program again. I'm also willing to give the next coach a fair shot if it's not Fred.
From my perspective there was an extra narrative around Fred as coach given he's from Ames, and played at Iowa State that has given him a nigh-untouchable status for some fans (take my mom or old boss as an example), and my worry is that any coach other than Fred will get unwarranted pressure, especially if Fred turns Nebraska around.
Don’t resort to hyperbole.
But ignoring that, it’s very reasonable to have a discussion right now about whether one of the most successful coaches in program history that rebuilt the program recently is attainable. To think otherwise is your Fred ex-lover syndrome is showing. If LE had not ended his time here like he did, and was younger, you better believe he would have been discussed after Morgan. (He still was). Particularly when it’s well known there’s some level of interest. It’s certainly way more logical than many of the names mentioned.
Again, what are you basing this “unwarranted” pressure fear on? Not even Prohm had unwarranted pressure. There’s always pressure to maintain or match the level of success desired by fans. And fans want that success we had. It’s not Hoiberg, it’s Hoiberg’s success.
I suppose I don't have any sources or claim to. If it truly is well known I'm happy to take the L. I'm a bit too young to have been on similar boards following a successful coach leaving means I may be completely wrong on things.
Here's hoping no matter how it shakes out we're discussing how far the team can go as opposed to who's gonna be the next coach. Go Clones.
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Do you think had it been reversed, that Prohm was 2010-15 and Hoiberg the one to be 2015-2021 and have two 20 loss seasons, and Prohm was in Lincoln and not doing well in year 2, there wouldn’t be the same discussion? That there wouldn’t be people wanting him back?
It’s not Hoiberg. It’s Hoiberg’s success and coaching. That’s normal and happens everywhere. IU fans compare Miller to Crean, and crean isn’t a beloved figure there
Like I said, most of my life Iowa State hasn't had successful coaches in football or MBB so I'm new to this whole thing. I'm happy to admit I could be wrong.
Whoisthis took a little bit too much meth tonight. Is this guy new? First time I’ve seen him. For a guy that accuses others of having a Fred problem, Fred seems to be all he talks about. Classic case of projection.
Fred coming back to ISU right now seems pretty unrealistic, given his massive buyout. There are lots of great options out there that have a small (relatively speaking) buyout. At the end of the day, we'll all be excited for whomever Jamie brings in.
This is the snag for me wrt Hoiberg returning. Just hard for me to see Nebraska budging on that after making that big of a hire/commitment then having to start over again after two years. Who knows what’ll happen.
One can only hope for winning and to erase the shadow of Fred.
Maybe the memory was too recent, but winning in year 1 & 2 didn’t seem to subdue the Prohm critics.
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Right or wrong the expectations were higher than what those teams actually achieved and the "Hoiberg guys" narrative was always around.
I think he had a chance to really change the narrative in 2017 but it kind of fell apart
Nebraska would force Iowa State to pay penalty. In addition to pay Prohm’s buyout. Dont see us going that route despite the claim that there are Donors willing to pay the buyout. Fred coming back would be risky. Fred has well known health issues. Fred has not had a successful coaching season in years. Not sure whom JP will choose. But we know that Steve Prohm is not the answer. We are 5 years into the Prohm Era. Nice Dumpster Fire Prohm. We totally suck.
This is exactly what it was, and I still can't believe that people don't understand this. Hines article was accurate. Fred had to save face for the ISU basketball program once he realized how bad the article was.
Agree. If we have donors willing to throw that kind of money around I'd rather see it go to Hilton renovations.
It was apparent early on that Prohm was not a very good coach. Poor in bounds plays, virtually no screening out on rebounds and a very unimaginative offense (just to name a few things). The talent level he inherited helped to mask those deficiencies for a while but now that the talent level is lower those problems are more evident.
It was probably for the better the Applebees Coaches Show shifted from callers to more interview format....but can you imagine the entertainment value that would have had this year if it allowed callers?
"Hey John, Coach Prohm....wasnt able to watch cause couldn't find ESPN+ on my channel changer, but heard you were nice enough to let the other teams manager get some playing time....thats why I like you, you are nice....also, what can you tell me about Fred Hoiberg as a replacement option if you leave?"
It'd be so painfully entertaining, lol
"Hey John, Coach Prohm....wasnt able to watch cause couldn't find ESPN+ on my channel changer, but heard you were nice enough to let the other teams manager get some playing time....thats why I like you, you are nice....also, what can you tell me about Fred Hoiberg as a replacement option if you leave?"
It'd be so painfully entertaining, lol
