Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?

[Tre4ISU]

That's a lot to assume. Just because you put it in a sentence, doesn't mean it's a worth discussing.

Let's assume Bill Self wants to come, but tells JP that he will not coach against KU, and Hilton can only be filled to half capacity. Jamie would be stupid to take that deal.

Those aren't even remotely similar. One of JSBs is very likely and the other is certainly plausible, even if unlikely.

Yours aren't precedented or even approaching reasonable.

 

[Cyched]

Our last coach from Utah State did okay

 

[Tre4ISU]

I've seen this mentioned multiple times recently, and back when Fred took the Nebraska job, and I don't necessarily agree with it. Has the transfer landscape changed, yes but that doesn't mean a guy like Fred can't still exploit it.

There's more coaches recruiting transfers, but there's also many more total transfers, and they are not considered malcontents, like many were before. It's not like the guys that Fred got back then would all of the sudden not consider Iowa St at all, and would only go to blue bloods. Royce is the only transfer, that maybe would draw top competition today, and iirc he was recruited by blue bloods, and still came to Ames.

There's been some pretty decent transfers the last few years that seriously considered Iowa St with Prohm recruiting them. I don't think it's crazy to think Fred gets some of those to commit.

Like who?

 

[Land Shark]

I loved what Fred did for our program. Being relevant is fun. But let's look at his history

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His ISU teams had a ceiling. Never better than 12-6 (which sound silly to complain about in the CSP dumpster fire era). But can we not also hope for a CMC type leader for MBB. I think if ISU is good, we will win Big 12 tournaments regardless of coaching. We DOMINATE the T-Mobile Center (was Sprint Center) and that was proven with a terrible coach in CSP still winning conference ships.

Now let's look at my top choice Craig Smith. He's about to have 15 conference wins in 2/3 years

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His teams are DOMINATE rebounders, get to the free throw line A LOT better than CSP teams, don't force a ton of free throws by fouling, guard the 2 point shots impressively well..

This one is a good coach but it is not happening as he another destination in mind. You will see why in two weeks or so. Move on to the next

 

[cyfan92]

Craig Smith would be a terrific hire. My biggest concern would be recruiting however I'm sure it's obviously a bit tough to recruit to Utah State.

He seems to recruit internationally heavy at Utah St. Always has a strong primary ball handler/scorer in his offense (Matt Mooney at USD, later went on the a natty runner-up with Texas Tech) and Sam Merrill at UTST (ON the Bucks NBA roster). It'd be really important for him to bring in some solid recruiters though. He has Midwest ties (coached in SD and was born in MN)

 

[CloneIce]

It’s a bit awkward to accuse others of cherry picking stats in this situation

I get you are trying to be clever here, but no, really, it isn’t. What is a better measure of a successful season than the selection committees final rankings of teams at the end of the season?

 

[Cat Stevens]

Take the emotion out and do a blind resume comparison between the most talked about candidates.

I think you should really take your own advice on this one.

Hiring fred back has much more to do with what he was, rather than what he currently is. And I think he should be the hire at this point, because he will fill all the boxes for the casual fan and get them reenergized concerning basketball.

but if any candidate had the resume of Fred’s last 6 years, and he his name was Kurt Kanaskie, he wouldn’t be in anyone’s conversation about this job opening.

he represents far more to Iowa state than anywhere else. That’s why he should get the job. And then god help Jamie if his career trajectory continues on the same path it has been on since he left.

 

[Statefan10]

Like who?

Bryce Aiken from Harvard and Rayjon Tucker from ALR.

 

[CycloneErik]

I loved what Fred did for our program. Being relevant is fun. But let's look at his history

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His ISU teams had a ceiling. Never better than 12-6 (which sound silly to complain about in the CSP dumpster fire era). But can we not also hope for a CMC type leader for MBB. I think if ISU is good, we will win Big 12 tournaments regardless of coaching. We DOMINATE the T-Mobile Center (was Sprint Center) and that was proven with a terrible coach in CSP still winning conference ships.

Now let's look at my top choice Craig Smith. He's about to have 15 conference wins in 2/3 years

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His teams are DOMINATE rebounders, get to the free throw line A LOT better than CSP teams, don't force a ton of free throws by fouling, guard the 2 point shots impressively well..

I won't be complaining about 12-6.

 

[cyfan92]

This one is a good coach but it is not happening as he another destination in mind. You will see why in two weeks or so. Move on to the next

IDK if Minny will fire Pitno. If they do, you are probably correct. But I want him at ISU

 

[tyler24]

This one is a good coach but it is not happening as he another destination in mind. You will see why in two weeks or so. Move on to the next

Assume you're saying Minnesota, but there are also leaks of another name up there. Craig Smith is the coach I want at ISU next. I hope we can reel him in. I believe his buyout is only 600k and he just extended his contract at Utah State.

 

[Statefan10]

I think you should really take your own advice on this one.

Hiring fred back has much more to do with what he was, rather than what he currently is. And I think he should be the hire at this point, because he will fill all the boxes for the casual fan and get them reenergized concerning basketball.

but if any candidate had the resume of Fred’s last 6 years, and he his name was Kurt Kanaskie, he wouldn’t be in anyone’s conversation about this job opening.

he represents far more to Iowa state than anywhere else. That’s why he should get the job. And then god help Jamie if his career trajectory continues on the same path it has been on since he left.

I do partially agree with this and will say this... Hiring Fred Hoiberg back now is as big of a risk as it was when we hired him the first time. The context is different, but the risk-reward is very similar.

 

[WhoISthis]

I think he might want that. But he shouldn’t be.

You seem to have some real Fred issues.

He’s just a coach. One that was very successful here, could be again, and is easily marketable.

 

[Land Shark]

Assume you're saying Minnesota, but there are also leaks of another name up there. View attachment 82514

Smith wants it bad and is in play. I love these coaching changes guys but every post they put out has an agenda. They are pushing for Ryan because one of the guys on that handle knows him

 

[CloneIce]

I think you should really take your own advice on this one.

Hiring fred back has much more to do with what he was, rather than what he currently is. And I think he should be the hire at this point, because he will fill all the boxes for the casual fan and get them reenergized concerning basketball.

but if any candidate had the resume of Fred’s last 6 years, and he his name was Kurt Kanaskie, he wouldn’t be in anyone’s conversation about this job opening.

he represents far more to Iowa state than anywhere else. That’s why he should get the job. And then god help Jamie if his career trajectory continues on the same path it has been on since he left.

Oh, you are back to arguing that what he did with the Chicago Bulls is more relevant than his track record at ISU... in an evaluation of his candidacy for the ISU job.

I don’t need to explain how fundamentally flawed your argument is.

No, you are the one arguing based on emotion. Do the blind resume comparison and get back to me.

 

[tyler24]

Smith wants it bad and is in play. I love these coaching changes guys but every post they put out has an agenda. They are pushing for Ryan because one of the guys on that handle knows him

He should absolutely be in play for every Midwest job, dude has been an awesome coach. If he's not on radars, people aren't doing their jobs. Pollard is a good salesman, I hope he gets his shot with him.

 

[WastedTalent]

Those aren't even remotely similar. One of JSBs is very likely and the other is certainly plausible, even if unlikely.

Yours aren't precedented or even approaching reasonable.

Well no ****, that was the point.

Jsb is making up a scenario, just to argue about it. It's the Ben Shapiro shtick.

 

[cyfan92]

Remember when Campbell was wanted for head coaching jobs. He WANTED to come to ISU becuase it's a special place!

What's so special about Minny? The barn is weird and dated with no history. Local fans only really care about the pro teams and top recruits in-state lately haven't been choosing to stay in-state and play for Pitino

 

[Stormin]

If Fred really wants to come back and donors are willing to step up to take care of the $$$ side of it without further damage to Pollard's admittedly wounded budget... and JP refuses because of some spat with Fred over past grievances, ones that Fred has gotten over if he really wants to come back to Ames like that...

JP is asking to be fired. Just signed his own death warrant. Campbell or not.

So if JP doesn’t want Fred back then he should be fired?

NO. There is no way in hell that I would choose Fred over JP. No Way.

I want Prohm replaced. And I will support whomever JP chooses. Whether that would be Fred, TJ or some other candidate. But Prohm is done.

 

[Lexclone]

Remember when Campbell was wanted for head coaching jobs. He WANTED to come to ISU becuase it's a special place!

What's so special about Minny? The barn is weird and dated with no history. Local fans only really care about the pro teams and top recruits in-state lately haven't been choosing to stay in-state and play for Pitino

Gopher basketball is wasaaaayyyyy behind Gopher hockey as far as fan interest. Even when Clem had them going to the final four, one could walk up game day and get a ticket. Hockey, even in their down years, has a waiting list.