You need a mix. Shooters that can drive when the defender is making it difficult to find open shots. Then you get your FT attempts. But if you're a shooter, and you're open, shoot the ******.
Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?
- Thread starter Gunnerclone
- Start date
You need a mix. Shooters that can drive when the defender is making it difficult to find open shots. Then you get your FT attempts. But if you're a shooter, and you're open, shoot the ******.
That's a lot to assume. Just because you put it in a sentence, doesn't mean it's a worth discussing.
Let's assume Bill Self wants to come, but tells JP that he will not coach against KU, and Hilton can only be filled to half capacity. Jamie would be stupid to take that deal.
You know, I was thinking about buyouts and such. I doubt someone like Fred would do it....but if he REALLY wanted to be back in Ames, he could offer to pay/negotiate some of that stuff....unique to Fred probably given his past relationships, finances he likely has, etc...but again, it's also a business, so i doubt it...but, a coach that would REALLY want to be here could go below market value/incentive based contract given the COVID dynamics of budgets (and again, donors can also take care of stuff if needed)
Pollard, let's get crazy this time around. Let's hire a European coach. Anybody follow the EuroLeague? Who do ya got for us?
Bonus points for a minimal amount of vowels but excessive consonants in the name.
Bonus points for a minimal amount of vowels but excessive consonants in the name.
In another career, in another life I hired a guy who was tops in the market many years before. What I thought I was getting and what I got were two different things. It just didn't work out that second time and I learned a valuable lesson. Sometimes, you just can't go back home.
Move on and build for the future. It's nice that Fred's number is hanging in Hilton. Let's remember those good times and create some new ones. We did it before and we can do it again. We need to surprise the competition and make Hilton the most dangerous place to visit. If we can start there, the rest may take care of itself.
Move on and build for the future. It's nice that Fred's number is hanging in Hilton. Let's remember those good times and create some new ones. We did it before and we can do it again. We need to surprise the competition and make Hilton the most dangerous place to visit. If we can start there, the rest may take care of itself.
Fred literally did both of these things. Let's also not act like Fred coached here 30 years ago. This past Tuesday was 7 years since we beat Oklahoma in that miraculous comeback. It wasn't that long ago lol.
After looking at all the possibilities I really hope JP goes after Dayton coach Anthony Grant. Has had a winning record at 3 different schools and some pro experience.
Fred coming back would be positive on almost all levels. We know he can win here. I would easily say the majority of hardcore ISU basketball fans would welcome him back happily. We feel comfortable with him as he’s proven he can succeed here at a high level.
As someone who was in the student section during that game, it sure feels like forever ago haha.
Regardless, the college basketball landscape has changed so much from when Fred first came. Iowa State isn't the only team looking for transfers anymore which accounted for the jump start Fred gave us originally. Obviously I think Fred would definitely be an improvement to Prohm and the complete lack of intent on both sides.
But anyone expecting a repeat of when Fred first came is deluding themselves. The B12 is better, Iowa State is somehow worse, and the opening Fred saw to use transfers as a quick talent infusion is closed because everyone is recruiting the best transfers now.
Does this mean Fred can't succeed? Absolutely not, with the right players his system will still work. I just also want Pollard to keep an open mind and look for the best fit for Iowa State right now. I think the program needs a complete culture overhaul akin to Campbell after Rhodes. If Fred is that guy then bring him back. But there just needs to be a change in the mentality because it sure seems reminiscent of Rhodes' last couple seasons where the players are just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I think it should be noted that in one year of being at Nebraska, he got Trey McGowens to transfer there which ended up bringing in his little brother who is a 5 star SG. I think it'd be much easier to keep bringing in those types of guys at Iowa State than Nebraska. I also think he'd be able to recruit just fine.
But you're right. Like our football program from 2015, we need a complete culture change. Is Fred the guy that can do that? Who knows. I hope whoever Jamie gets is the right man for the job.
We already threw out Tod Kowalczyk from Toledo. Just pretend it's the Toledo in Spain, not in Ohio.
Don't get me wrong, I think Fred can be that guy and seems to be more open to the task of recruiting high schoolers again. Mostly I just think the culture change has to be the #1 priority.
I loved what Fred did for our program. Being relevant is fun. But let's look at his history
His ISU teams had a ceiling. Never better than 12-6 (which sound silly to complain about in the CSP dumpster fire era). But can we not also hope for a CMC type leader for MBB. I think if ISU is good, we will win Big 12 tournaments regardless of coaching. We DOMINATE the T-Mobile Center (was Sprint Center) and that was proven with a terrible coach in CSP still winning conference ships.
Now let's look at my top choice Craig Smith. He's about to have 15 conference wins in 2/3 years
His teams are DOMINATE rebounders, get to the free throw line A LOT better than CSP teams, don't force a ton of free throws by fouling, guard the 2 point shots impressively well..
His ISU teams had a ceiling. Never better than 12-6 (which sound silly to complain about in the CSP dumpster fire era). But can we not also hope for a CMC type leader for MBB. I think if ISU is good, we will win Big 12 tournaments regardless of coaching. We DOMINATE the T-Mobile Center (was Sprint Center) and that was proven with a terrible coach in CSP still winning conference ships.
Now let's look at my top choice Craig Smith. He's about to have 15 conference wins in 2/3 years
His teams are DOMINATE rebounders, get to the free throw line A LOT better than CSP teams, don't force a ton of free throws by fouling, guard the 2 point shots impressively well..
Yep. And I’m sure JP is too smart and experienced for that. Professionals in all walks of life work through personal disagreements, address them, and move forward productively... all the time. They do it for the good of the business or organization and the good of their own careers. It’s a regular part of life and work.
Well, put Fred’s ISU teams in that conference and the records look a lot different. It’s harder to win 15 conference games when 6 of the 18 are against top 15 teams and half the rest are against to tourney teams.
We were a 3 seed the last two seasons. That means we were considered Top 12 in the country. I’m not sure why you didn’t mention that in your post given that’s the bottom line. I’m sorry but you are really cherry picking stats when your best argument is “but we were never better than 12-6 in the Big 12” while failing to mention those teams were Top 12 in the nation and Big 12 tournament champions.
PS - I can live with a Top 12 ceiling.
Last edited:
Craig Smith would be a terrific hire. My biggest concern would be recruiting however I'm sure it's obviously a bit tough to recruit to Utah State.
Take the emotion out and do a blind resume comparison between the most talked about candidates. I only see one with a track record of sustained success at the P5 level and a proven history of rebuilding a program at that level.
It’s a bit awkward to accuse others of cherry picking stats in this situation
I've seen this mentioned multiple times recently, and back when Fred took the Nebraska job, and I don't necessarily agree with it. Has the transfer landscape changed, yes but that doesn't mean a guy like Fred can't still exploit it.
There's more coaches recruiting transfers, but there's also many more total transfers, and they are not considered malcontents, like many were before. It's not like the guys that Fred got back then would all of the sudden not consider Iowa St at all, and would only go to blue bloods. Royce is the only transfer, that maybe would draw top competition today, and iirc he was recruited by blue bloods, and still came to Ames.
There's been some pretty decent transfers the last few years that seriously considered Iowa St with Prohm recruiting them. I don't think it's crazy to think Fred gets some of those to commit.
Plus he's won B2B MWC tournament titles with a HUGE win over what would have been a #1 or #2 seed SDSU in 2020
